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itsbob said:I think we should all stop bickering, admit I'm right, and move on to the next subject!!
Who's bickering?
itsbob said:I think we should all stop bickering, admit I'm right, and move on to the next subject!!
hvp05 said:Bush went with data that was inaccurate. He believed it to be solid, but unfortunately he was wrong.
You failed to mention probably the #1 reason many are infantrymen; they scored a 12 on the ASVAB and were not qualified for anything else.itsbob said:I guess the point I'm trying to make is.. people join and volunteer for different reasons.. sense of community for the VFD's for example, the need to help their fellow human beings, or the social aspect of people with like minds hanging out.. People join the Military for different reasons.. they get sold on the college money, or the bonus $$ 20K is a LOT of incentive to a 17 year old.. but the guys that volunteer to be infantryman or corpsman do it for a different reason.. Somebody mentioned Pat Tillman, he didn't give up his NFL career to be a finance clerk, or a mechanic.. he was an infantryman. They (and I'm talking across all branches) are a special breed. It's not for the money, it's not for college.. it's for God, Honor and Country.. something that was instilled into them when they were growing up, by their parents, their teachers.. vets in the community.. to them the easy road is not a choice, not an option.... They are the consumate patriots today.
Whats sad is the all the branches are going out of their way to make these special seviceman unrecognizable from the rest... You have to look close to see the difference between a clerk and a combat medic.. or a mechanic and an infantyrman.. they walk a little different, their hair is a little shorter.. but all distinguishing features have been removed.. EVERYBODY in the Army now wears berets.. all the Marines wear the same uniform.. same with the Navy.. you have to look close to see the look.. or the little blue cord, or the corpsmans badge.. or the CIB, or the CMB...
ALL servicemen deserve our respect and our gratitude, I just think they deserve a little bit more.
pixiegirl said:But you and Bob both just stated our soilders over there. Percentage wise how much of our military is over there. Our military over here is in much less danger then our police or fire force.
A very very good friend of mine is "over there" and will be coming home this fall. I have the utmost respect for the amount of danger he's in. But the fact of the matter is there's one year out of his life when he's been in significant danger. He'll come back and sit at a desk just like you and I. A cop is in potential danger his entire career.
My point was as a whole (not just soldiers that are deployed overseas durning wartime) that the military is no more nobel, selfless, etc then our police or firefighters.
Don't know, the years I was a recruiter the infantryman had to score over a 50.. the same qualifying score to be an airman.. or a crew chief.. or a linguist...what is referred to as a 3A. 31 is the qualifying score for entrance into the military.. and at times, like the first two months of a fiscal year we would let in our quota of 3B's, then were limited to only allowing those who scored better then 50.. and for those reading it saying damn, only a 50... this is a percetile score.. not a percentage of what they got right or wrong.. High Tech weapons demand smart people to operate them.Pete said:You failed to mention probably the #1 reason many are infantrymen; they scored a 12 on the ASVAB and were not qualified for anything else.
I'm pretty comfortable in my t-shirt and shorts. It's the standard issue computer nerd uniform.pixiegirl said:I was in no way dowing the military. There are plenty of people in the military that deserve our utmost respect and admiration. That one guy that gave up his football career only to get killed over there comes to mind. But those firefighters and police that died 9-11 just doing their daily job shouldn't be forgotten. They are protecting our streets and lives every day of their career.
I don't discriminate.... I LOVE all men in uniform.
Mmmmmm Hmmmmm......itsbob said:You're just agreeing with her because she's cute!!!
vraiblonde said:Nothing burns my ass more than some whiney punk complaining about the poor widdle soldiers who are fighting this war. Do these people think they're so sophisticated and smart that they know more about what's good for American adults than they themselves do? Do they think they're cool sitting on their asses while others are freeing a nation? Do they think they're being "compassionate" by giving patronizing pity to people who neither want nor need it?
There is nothing I hate more than an elitist liberal. Nothing. I get so damn sick and tired of listening to them thinking they're smarter and better than the men and women who are devoting themselves to democracy. 50 years from now, our soliders can look at a liberated Iraq and say, "We did that. We did." And all these pissers and moaners can say is that they sat on their fat asses and complained while others did the work.
Our ancestors fought and died to make the United States a sovreign nation. They fought and died to free black slaves in this country. They fought and died to defeat Hitler's regime. All throughout history, our men and women have looked at injustice and said, "That's not right and you can't do that", and they've gone off to right the wrong.
And now they're going off to right the wrong in Iraq and what do they get in return? Sneering condescension from some tard who watches reality TV shows and downloads naked pictures of Teri Hatcher off the internet.
They should feel completely humiliated and ashamed of themselves because they are an embarrassment to this country.
When were you there?? i was a recruiter in the Pittsburgh BN... for the Army..Bruzilla said:I loved being a recruiter for the Navy in Pittsburgh. That was some of the best duty I ever had.
We had the equivalent of an infantryman in the Navy, jobs like Boatswain's Mates, Boiler Techs, etc., that were hard to fill. I never put anybody in those billets, but we had an E-8 at the NRD who could talk just about anyone into doing anything. I had a lot of folks come into my office wanting to work on airplanes, but after sitting down with that senior chief they would sign up to be whatever the Navy was short on at the time.
I have to disagree with you here, that is too generalized of a statement. Granted that the majority are, but there are those that are not. I myself am not patriotic. Yeah I like this country, but I don't get weepy over songs or stories. I joined to have a good paying job with decent benefits and will do the job 110% because I gave my word and my oath which for me, there is no stronger bond. I have also run into people in the military who are thieves, pimps, drug dealers, and pedophiles. Thankfully these type of people usually get caught and kicked out, but I would think you wouldn't want to call them patriots.itsbob said:They are the consumate patriots today.
Alright, well I hope we find them someday.Bruzilla said:Let us back the inaccurate train up a little bit. We know that he did have WMDs, and we know that Hussein's details of how they were "destroyed" don't mech with what we've found on the ground. For example, you don't drop thousands of liters of biotoxins into a hole in the ground and burn them without leaving a lot of trace evidence. And as for the allegation that the yellow cake uranium claim was wrong, the Senate Intelligence Committee thoroughly debunked that as a lie last month.
Granted, there were no WMDs found when we arrived, but that doesn't alter the fact that Hussein did have them at one time, and that he didn't have them when we got there, and there's little evidence to confirm that they were destroyed. That can only mean that they've been moved, not that Bush's (or Clinton's) data was wrong.
Just because a dope dealer flushes his stash down the toilet doesn't mean he's no longer a dope dealer.
Sweep Syrai?? I hope by sweep you mean, blast them into oblivion..hvp05 said:Alright, well I hope we find them someday.
I don't doubt that Hussein had them "at one time" and the motivation to use them. But without them in safe custody we have to ask, "Where did they go?" If he buried them we may never find them without a good lead. If he gave them -- or the knowledge to make them -- to another ramstam leader there may be a problem. Maybe when we sweep Syria...
...and soon too!!itsbob said:Sweep Syrai?? I hope by sweep you mean, blast them into oblivion..
Bustem' Down said:I have to disagree with you here, that is too generalized of a statement. Granted that the majority are, but there are those that are not. I myself am not patriotic. Yeah I like this country, but I don't get weepy over songs or stories. I joined to have a good paying job with decent benefits and will do the job 110% because I gave my word and my oath which for me, there is no stronger bond. I have also run into people in the military who are thieves, pimps, drug dealers, and pedophiles. Thankfully these type of people usually get caught and kicked out, but I would think you wouldn't want to call them patriots.
itsbob said:Don't know, the years I was a recruiter the infantryman had to score over a 50.. the same qualifying score to be an airman.. or a crew chief.. or a linguist...what is referred to as a 3A. 31 is the qualifying score for entrance into the military.. and at times, like the first two months of a fiscal year we would let in our quota of 3B's, then were limited to only allowing those who scored better then 50.. and for those reading it saying damn, only a 50... this is a percetile score.. not a percentage of what they got right or wrong.. High Tech weapons demand smart people to operate them.
And in the years I was a recruiter I only put in MAYBE one or two infantryman... and that's what they came into my office wanting to be.. nothing else..
AND in the off chance we were allowed to put in a CAT-IV (16 -31) we had to put them into jobs like, Laundry and Bath Specialist.. or cook.. and did get ONE into a Dental Assistants job...
Oh yes, the Evil Fat. They just changed out PRT policy because of fat. LOL it's still a joke though.itsbob said:Well, the infantryman I worked with this was not the case.. maybe in the early 80's when the judge would hand out sentences, three years in jail, or three years in the Army.. but that was illegal by the early 80's..
We had our share of nickel and dime crooks.. stealing money left out.. but the urinalysis really cleaned the ranks of 90% of the druggies... alcohol was still a small problem, but 99.9% of the men i worked with were clean and honest people..
and ya know.. some of the ones that got caught up in the urinalysis were some of the people I wouldn't mind having my life depend on.. then of course there was the FAT, the EVIL fat.. OMG he has body fat over 22%.. kick hiim out before he ruins morale!! I notice that this is NOT a problem in the navy.. not that they aren't fat, but apparently nobody cares what their body fat is..
We normally policed our own.. and took care of our problems in house.. so either they shaped up, or were no longer there. 9 out of 10 times they shaped up.
Pete said:Currently all jobs in the CO feild (Combat) have the same required score which is CO-90 (AR (arithmetic) + CS (coding speed discontinued) + AS (Auto / shop) +MC (mechanical comprehension) Infantryman, cannon cockers, and the like
Linguist (as do most of the higher end jobs) have a special catagory ST which is made up of GS (general science) + VE (Word knowledge and reading comp) + MK (mechanical knowledge) + MC (mechanical comprehension) and require a higher minimum score of a ST-95.
The only job that has a lower minimum score than Infantryman is a "Laundry and shower specialist" So while I understand your pride in your niche of the Army and the subsequent cheast beating, to insinuate that infantryman are basically rocket scientists who wanted to get dirty and shoot things is a little misleading.
I hold with my statement that many infantrymen are those that did not set the ASVAB on fire thus they had to put their dreams of being a helicopter pilot on the back burner. Hey at least they are not "shower specialists" :shrug: