Repentance

[JPC sr]

Batman

It is not me who determines who goes to hell or heaven. I have never presumed to have knowledge or power regarding the hereafter. The Good Book laid out the criteria, it's up to others if they want to follow that criteria or not. As far as I'm concerned, I don't waste my time trying to determine who goes down, or who gets on the elevator up. That's not my job, and frankly I have enough problems worrying about myself, without concerning myself with the beliefs or the final destinations others.

This above is an example of the "do nothing" ideology.

Let God take care of everything because their religion tells them to do nothing.

But I find it to be more then that simple, in that the cry to do nothing is more-so based on the agreement with the injustices going on.

Like the torture of prisoners, the unjustified wars, the murder of babies through abortions, breaking up families, the bigotry of other religions, so that the do nothing ideology is not just gutless indifference but it is more like giving complete consent to the crimes and the sins.

People like that do not concern themselves with who might be in Hell or who is mistreated in this world because they save their own self by praising God and doing nothing for those in need.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Are you trying to tell me we are more accountable to each other than to God?

Yes, that is it exactly.

By being righteous to thy fellow people will lead even a dog to the true God.

In fact all the principles and commandments point to how we treat and deal with each other.

No person can "love God" while mistreating even one other person.

And in cases like prosecuting President Bush as a war criminal would be the correct action to stop the wrongdoing.

 

[Toxick]

This above is an example of the "do nothing" ideology.

And if I were proselytizing, I'd be getting grief for that too.

So, I'm either a bible-pounding jesus freak who's hassling everybody, or I'm a hypocritical do-nothing.

Let God take care of everything because their religion tells them to do nothing.

Here's what my religion says:

Judge not, that ye be not judged. ... Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


My point being: I am well aware of the beam in my eye, and before I start pointing the finger at others, I would do well to handle my own business first.

But I find it to be more then that simple, in that the cry to do nothing is more-so based on the agreement with the injustices going on.

Where are you coming up with this garbage?

All I did was point out that you are force-fitting scripture for your ideals. Then you accused me of behavior of which I do not partake, and I pointed that out.

And now you're accusing me of tacitly condoning injustice.

Why don't you go pack sand.

People like that do not concern themselves with who might be in Hell or who is mistreated in this world because they save their own self by praising God and doing nothing for those in need.

And you called me self-righteous.

Hah!


You know nothing about what I do or don't do.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Here's what my religion says:

Judge not, that ye be not judged. ... Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

My point being: I am well aware of the beam in my eye, and before I start pointing the finger at others, I would do well to handle my own business first.

But most people never finish getting the beam out of their own eye, like do nothing.

The text says in essance: that people judge not in order to keep themselves from being judged, link HERE.

The text you quote that if we fail to judge then we will not get our own judgement and the truth seekers want judgements. It is only the guilty and the unrepentant that do not seek after judgements. Even go to a worldly Court and the guilty will not even show up, but the innocent seeking justice will arrive early for trial.

Jesus said to judge right link HERE John 7:24, and this one Acts 4:19 the Apostels said "judge ye".

The Gospels do tell us to judge right but people refuse and they "judge not".

If one takes the beam out of their own eye (instead of doing nothing) then they will start judging rightly and start receiving the right judgements and then comes the blessings too.

Where are you coming up with this garbage?

All I did was point out that you are force-fitting scripture for your ideals. Then you accused me of behavior of which I do not partake, and I pointed that out.

And now you're accusing me of tacitly condoning injustice.

Why don't you go pack sand.

And you called me self-righteous.

Hah!

You know nothing about what I do or don't do.

I am not really accusing you personally even though it might fit you personally.

I am affronting the incorrect concepts and the incorrect interpretations of the verses.

If you feel it as personal then I do understand that - with little sympathy.

 

[PsyOps]

Yes, that is it exactly.

By being righteous to thy fellow people will lead even a dog to the true God. In fact all the principles and commandments point to how we treat and deal with each other. No person can "love God" while mistreating even one other person.

Well there’s a new one. We are more accountable to each other than to God, our creator. This question proves that we are more accountable to God than each other. If I wrong someone and ask for their forgiveness and do not receive that forgiveness, then ask God to forgive me as well because I have sinned and receive his forgiveness am I forgiven of that sin?

And in cases like prosecuting President Bush as a war criminal would be the correct action to stop the wrongdoing.

Yeah, I know it’s unfathomable for you to believe we even have an enemy that wants to kill us without blinking an eye let alone holding them accountable for their wrongdoing.

 

[PsyOps]

Jesus said to judge right link HERE John 7:24, and this one Acts 4:19 the Apostels said "judge ye".

You are completely wrong about your use of these verses.

John 7 is in the context of answering the Jews' inability to correctly Judge him. This falls in the context of Matthew 7:1 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged." Jesus was trying to tell the Jews that they are not capable of judging correctly.

Act 4:19 Peter and John were not telling them to judge them by their standards but to look more closely at God's standard and they will come the correct judgement and not accuse them of preaching a false message.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Well there’s a new one. We are more accountable to each other than to God, our creator. This question proves that we are more accountable to God than each other. If I wrong someone and ask for their forgiveness and do not receive that forgiveness, then ask God to forgive me as well because I have sinned and receive his forgiveness am I forgiven of that sin?

If the person does not forgive us our tresspasses then any forgiveness from God is meaningless.

Saying that God forgave a person but the people they screwed do not forgive then nothing is accomplished.

I know people that go to God (or to a Priest / Minister) for forgiveness but do not go to the person at all, based on that nonsence belief that God forgives them so screw the person again.

The Bible and Jesus said that God's forgiveness is based directly on people forgiving each other - or not forgiving, link HERE.

I keep putting up Bible quotes while all you got is Orthodox slogans.

Yeah, I know it’s unfathomable for you to believe we even have an enemy that wants to kill us without blinking an eye let alone holding them accountable for their wrongdoing.

I understand those so called "enemies" are fighting back against the violent aggressors but I do not see any claim for justice against them.

Oh yes, I remember, the justice means vengeance and you want like Bush to kill them all in the name of Christ and I do not see any justice in that plan.

 

[PsyOps]

If the person does not forgive us our tresspasses then any forgiveness from God is meaningless.

Saying that God forgave a person but the people they screwed do not forgive then nothing is accomplished.

ATTENTION ALL CHRISTIANS… The Word you have learned is false. It’s all a lie. JPC has just advised us that we must first be forgiven by each other in order for God to forgive us.

BTW JPC… Did you inform God of this change in rules because I’m pretty sure He is unaware that His rules have been changed by you:

To an unrepentant society that crucified Jesus, Jesus said "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

God forgave us first JPC, not the other way around: “Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you”… Ephesians 4:32

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have
against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you… Colossians 3:13

Repent and turn to God (not some person): “Repent therefore, and turn to God so that your sins may be wiped out”… Acts 3:19

“Repent therefore of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you.”… Acts 8:22

Repent towards God (not some person): “as I testified to both Jews and Greeks about repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus.”… Acts 20:21

I understand those so called "enemies" are fighting back against the violent aggressors but I do not see any claim for justice against them.

Oh yes, I remember, the justice means vengeance and you want like Bush to kill them all in the name of Christ and I do not see any justice in that plan.

What violent aggressors would that be? Oh, you mean the US? Please be specific here JPC… What form of aggression did the US do to justify the 911 attack? What did the US do to cause Saddam to use WMD on his own people and Iran and invade Kuwait?

I don’t want to kill anyone JPC. I want to defend myself from them killing us, which, if you had your way, would be happening; because you believe we are the aggressors and deserve what they have coming to us. I want them to stop their violence. I pray for this everyday. But at the same time I pray that we stay focused on the fact that THEY want US dead and we MUST defend ourselves. The fact that you can’t see this and that you are sympathetic to this enemy and critical of our nation that is trying to defend itself shows the thanklessness you harbor toward what God has given you… and that’s the freedom to express such anti-American garbage.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

ATTENTION ALL CHRISTIANS… The Word you have learned is false. It’s all a lie. JPC has just advised us that we must first be forgiven by each other in order for God to forgive us.

When it is put that way then the perspective does change.

The fact is that Christ paid the price long ago so all of our sins are already paid for and done.

There is no need for God to forgive us as the price is paid in full already.

So asking God to forgive us now by prayer or by Priest or in any way is meaningless because all sin is already paid in full on the cross.

Ourselves and other people are the only ones left to do any forgiving as God's forgiveness is already done and complete.

Since Christ paid for our sins on the cross then there is no need to ask for forgiveness now.

 

[PsyOps]

When it is put that way then the perspective does change.

The fact is that Christ paid the price long ago so all of our sins are already paid for and done.

There is no need for God to forgive us as the price is paid in full already.

So asking God to forgive us now by prayer or by Priest or in any way is meaningless because all sin is already paid in full on the cross.

Ourselves and other people are the only ones left to do any forgiving as God's forgiveness is already done and complete.

Since Christ paid for our sins on the cross then there is no need to ask for forgiveness now.

Do you believe this forgiveness is a gift?

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Do you believe this forgiveness is a gift?

Yes, it is a free gift,

a very expencive free gift, link HERE.

 

[PsyOps]

Yes, it is a free gift,

a very expencive free gift, link HERE.

Then how is a gift received unless taken? If I hand you a gift for your birthday and you refuse to take it then the gift isn't yours since you did not take it. If you do not take the gift you do not get it. Some are saved and some aren't. Those that don't take the gift don't receive it.

There are some that are adament Satanists. They reject God completely. They do not want this gift. They do not want to go to heaven. They want to live and experience the depraved pleasures of this world without accountability to God.

Are you going to tell me these people, who do not want this gift, are going to get it anyway? It will be forced on them?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Then how is a gift received unless taken? If I hand you a gift for your birthday and you refuse to take it then the gift isn't yours since you did not take it. If you do not take the gift you do not get it. Some are saved and some aren't. Those that don't take the gift don't receive it.

There are some that are adament Satanists. They reject God completely. They do not want this gift. They do not want to go to heaven. They want to live and experience the depraved pleasures of this world without accountability to God.

Are you going to tell me these people, who do not want this gift, are going to get it anyway? It will be forced on them?

JPC has posted that even satan is saved in the end; that no one goes to hell. Any appeal to him on the grounds that that notion completely disagrees with the Bible is totally ignored. Good luck. Both pastors of a church and I have confronted JPC face to face and told him that not everyone gets saved and he just said he does not believe that. My advise is to shake the dust from your feet.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Then how is a gift received unless taken? If I hand you a gift for your birthday and you refuse to take it then the gift isn't yours since you did not take it. If you do not take the gift you do not get it. Some are saved and some aren't. Those that don't take the gift don't receive it.

Forgiveness is not some gift in a box that needs accepted.

It would be more accurate to compare it to a couple that decide to get pregnant and have a baby.
Thus the parents give the gift of life to their child and the child does not have the option of accepting it or not.

That being saved based on total forgiveness and price paid in full is as being born again and our consent or permission or acceptance is not asked of us.

Or compare it to going to school, the child(ren) are not asked if they want to go or not go because the parents decide to educate the children and that is that.

On Judgement Day anyone can say - no they do not want to do that - and then find out whom is in charge and who not.

There are some that are adament Satanists. They reject God completely. They do not want this gift. They do not want to go to heaven. They want to live and experience the depraved pleasures of this world without accountability to God.

Are you going to tell me these people, who do not want this gift, are going to get it anyway? It will be forced on them?

The rebels and peoples like "Satanist" and Athiest and others are just rejecting the Orthodox religions and rejecting the beliefs of other people and I say rightly so. The poor Satanist are even using the Orthodox version of Satan and I find that funny because it is so dead wrong.

Our Heavenly Father on Judgement Day will not force anyone to be saved as that is a worldly concept, instead everyone will accept it with glee.

The scriptures do say that some will be stubborn and resistant but it only means that the old addictions and egoes must be overcome but that is to be a big part of the fun.

 

[MMDad]

Forgiveness is not some gift in a box that needs accepted.





Our Heavenly Father on Judgement Day will not force anyone to be saved as that is a worldly concept, instead everyone will accept it with glee.

So Jimmy, why even call it Judgement day if nobody is being judged. Why not just call it "everyone is forgiven even if you don't want to be day?"

Have you considered that maybe it's called judgement day because that is the day you will be judged? Hmmmmm.... Just a thought.

By the way, have you ever considered actually reading the Bible? You can borrow one for free across the street at the library.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

So Jimmy, why even call it Judgement day if nobody is being judged. Why not just call it "everyone is forgiven even if you don't want to be day?"

Have you considered that maybe it's called judgement day because that is the day you will be judged? Hmmmmm.... Just a thought.

By the way, have you ever considered actually reading the Bible? You can borrow one for free across the street at the library.

I have read the Bible many times and many interpretations too.

The Bible tells what Judgement Day will be like in the book of Judges, link HERE.

The fact is that all the secrets of God are told in the scriptures
but we must search it out - or seek the truth as it is said.

The book of Judges give a vivid discription of what the Judgement Day will be like,
of course it is like a parable and not an exact copy of the future.

Worldly Courts and worldly Judges are far differnt then the Godly Judging.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I have read the Bible many times and many interpretations too.

The Bible tells what Judgement Day will be like in the book of Judges, link HERE.

The fact is that all the secrets of God are told in the scriptures
but we must search it out - or seek the truth as it is said.

The book of Judges give a vivid discription of what the Judgement Day will be like,
of course it is like a parable and not an exact copy of the future.

Worldly Courts and worldly Judges are far differnt then the Godly Judging.

Amazing. You really believe your dilutions. The Book of Judges has absolutely nothing to do with what is termed "The Judgement Day."

You truly are

2 Timothy 3:7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[MMDad]

As usual, you ignored the content and focused on the part you want to see. I don't believe you when you say you've read the Bible. There is no way you could interpret it so poorly if you had actually read it.

It's kind of easy Jimmy. You can't find anything in the Bible that supports your view. Therefore you are either making it up, or you know what you are saying is wrong yet say it anyway. Either way, it doesn't change the basic fact that you are wrong.

 

[PsyOps]

Forgiveness is not some gift in a box that needs accepted.

You claim you have read the Bible, but you haven't learned a thing:

Revelations 3:20

"Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in...

You must open the door JPC. It's a gift you must make the effort to receive.

Acts 2:38

Peter (said) to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.

John 5:24

Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life.

John 11:25-26

Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Romans 10:9-13

...for, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved. For the scripture says, "No one who believes in him will be put to shame." For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all, enriching all who call upon him. For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 3:16-18

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

John 3:27

John [the Baptist] answered and said, "No one can receive anything except what has been given him from heaven.

John 3:36

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.

I'm pretty certain this will fall on deaf ears. You have already developed your own percetion about how God saves us based on your own selfish purposes.

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

When it is put that way then the perspective does change.

The fact is that Christ paid the price long ago so all of our sins are already paid for and done.

There is no need for God to forgive us as the price is paid in full already.

So asking God to forgive us now by prayer or by Priest or in any way is meaningless because all sin is already paid in full on the cross.

Ourselves and other people are the only ones left to do any forgiving as God's forgiveness is already done and complete.

Since Christ paid for our sins on the cross then there is no need to ask for forgiveness now.

ummmm no. While our sins were washed away is one thing but to me that is giving us a fesh start and in NO WAY does it say that all our sins thereafter are automatically forgiven.

BULL