restaurants smoking

[JabbaJawz]

Re: Re: Re: restaurants smoking

Originally posted by Christy
And when that day comes I'm starting my campaign to ban ALL children from restaurants. Whiny kids are far more obnoxious than cigarette smoke.

A friend of mine often asks the waitress to sit her in the 'non-kids' section.

 

[DLBENENATI]

Re: Re: Re: restaurants smoking

Originally posted by Christy
And when that day comes I'm starting my campaign to ban ALL children from restaurants. Whiny kids are far more obnoxious than cigarette smoke.

I agree whiny kids are a problem. I don't like to hear whiny kids when I'm trying to enjoy my nice dinner out. But the problem isn't the children, it's the parents. (Also, There are Whiny adults who need to learn how to act in public) Smoke IS the problem in smoking.

 

[vraiblonde]

why should I be limited?

Better yet, explain to me why I should be limited because of your asthmatic kid?

 

[Ken King]

Originally posted by DLBENENATI
First off if you don't have enough concern for children then I guess you don't have any. My child has asthma and smoke can and does provoke attacks. And further I DO NOT patronize establishments but that doesn't mean that I've never (at least once) walked into one before I realized what it was like. I never stated in my posting or implied I take my children there; however, why should I be limited? After all isn't that your argument? The difference is non-smoking in a restaurant for maybe an hour is not a great impact on your life. Not being able to even visit a restaurant at all impacts more than that. And I don't need YOUR recomindation on where I should take my business. People who have no reguard for others shouldn't be allowed outside at all!!!!

I have plenty of concern for children; it's just that mine weren't genetic defects like yours seem to be. Sure you implied that you would be taking your kids there or else why even bring it up as it being a problem for your children? And if you don't patronize these establishments what problem is it since you aren't going into them?

No, my argument was that you seek to limit others for your benefit, like you deserve special treatment. And for your information when I go to a restaurant I don't smoke in the seating area and do go outside or to the bar because I have become accustomed to doing so.


Also while you might not need my recommendation you have it and I have another for you along the lines as the one Cheney gave to Leahy. And here is another one, why not place your little mutants in a plastic bubble like the gerbils that they are to further facilitate their inability to handle the type environment that the majority have no problem coping with.

 

[willie]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Better yet, explain to me why I should be limited because of your asthmatic kid?

You should be limited because second hand smoke is a hazard for everyone. Smokers, in general, are sloppy people and discarding butts wherever it suites them doesn't make them any more popular with more orderly people. Sitting next to someone on the Metro that smells like a wet ashtray may or may not harm your health but it can sure make you understand why that seat was empty.

 

[Ken King]

Originally posted by willie
You should be limited because second hand smoke is a hazard for everyone. Smokers, in general, are sloppy people and discarding butts wherever it suites them doesn't make them any more popular with more orderly people. Sitting next to someone on the Metro that smells like a wet ashtray may or may not harm your health but it can sure make you understand why that seat was empty.

So let's speak in generalities, in general non-smokers have their heads so far up their butt that a little smoke shouldn't be a bother to them.

 

[WiseOwl]

I understand everyone has the right to live the way that they want. If people have the desire to smoke then they should. But what about the people who don't want to smoke. Why should we have to walk into a place and try to eat with smoke blowing in our direction. Smokers don't realize how bad it is because they are used to the terrible taste. I lived around a smoker growing up so I know what is like to live with it all the time and now to be in a smoke free home. I enjoy the latter much better. I don't agree however with the ban on smoking in open places such as the beach, which they are doing in California. I don't understand why people can't have respect for others in closed places. I don't know why I am surprised though. There is no respect in this world for anyone else. As long as people can do what they want they don't care who they offend.

 

[willie]

Originally posted by Ken King
So let's speak in generalities, in general non-smokers have their heads so far up their butt that a little smoke shouldn't be a bother to them.

In general, it smells better up there.

 

[Ken King]

Originally posted by WiseOwl
I understand everyone has the right to live the way that they want. If people have the desire to smoke then they should. But what about the people who don't want to smoke. Why should we have to walk into a place and try to eat with smoke blowing in our direction. Smokers don't realize how bad it is because they are used to the terrible taste. I lived around a smoker growing up so I know what is like to live with it all the time and now to be in a smoke free home. I enjoy the latter much better. I don't agree however with the ban on smoking in open places such as the beach, which they are doing in California. I don't understand why people can't have respect for others in closed places. I don't know why I am surprised though. There is no respect in this world for anyone else. As long as people can do what they want they don't care who they offend.

People that don’t want to smoke won’t smoke, it’s that simple. The problem is that many of you have bought into the myth concerning ETS (AKA secondhand smoke). The facts are that there are no facts concerning any proven hazard. For every study showing great impact there is a study showing no impact.

As to respect, it’s a two-way street, I don’t go into places where smoking is not allowed and fire up, but for those establishments that allow smoking people shouldn’t expect them to stop smoking just because they walk in. It’s mutual give, not give and take that makes us free. If smoking bothers you stay out of places that allow it.

 

[SmallTown]

straight from the horses mouth.

http://www.pmusa.com/health_issues/secondhand_smoke.asp

 

[WiseOwl]

Why should people who perfer not to smoke have to stay out of anywhere because the people who chose to smoke don't have enough self control to wait about an 1 1/2 to smoke again? I have the right to be anywhere I want but why should I have to tolerate your vices?

 

[Shakezula]

A lot of people sure like to complain about how "people who smoke smell bad" but as vrai pointed out, what about BO? What about people who just don't wear deodorant?

And my personal favorite. What about people who load on sooo much perfume or cologne? That damn Tommy Hilfiger cologne is the worst, but any perfume or cologne that I can smell while I'm trying to eat makes my stomach turn and I'm instantly nauseous.
Maybe if I complain enough, I can just put the whole perfume industry out of business because they bother me.

Christy I agree, the whiny kids are the worst. That's what babysitters are for... and a lot of people pay a babysitter, so that they can go out to eat and NOT have to listen to that.

 

[mainman]

special dedication...

 

[Shakezula]

I'm so sick and tired of smokers being picked on.

Some people don't like being around smokers... for whatever reasons. What if I don't want to be around drunk people? What if I just find them annoying? What if they are a threat to my health? Do I try to get alcohol banned? OR, do I just stop going to bars? Hmmmmm.


Listen to Dennis Leary- his whole rant about one day, it's going to come to smokers having to smoke only in their homes, with the blinds closed, hiding under blankets.

 

[Danzig]

As I have said in the past, The non smoking bill will pass in MD. I would BET in the next year you WILL NOT be smoking in restaurants in MD.

 

[valentino]

Re: special dedication...

Originally posted by mainman

I have to say I was thinking that this thread was just another waste of time threads, but it seems like I do have some valid input. I have never been a smoker, and most likely never will be, but I have family and friends that have smoked or do smoke, so I have seen both sides.

While I agree that smoking in public places is not as ideal as I would like it to be, I do not think that totally banning it is fair either. I do think that ventilation could be better, and as far as I know there are no non-smoking facilities unless you count fast food establishments.

I do feel that second hand smoke is a problem, but if you do not go out to a bar every night, or live with someone that actually smokes, I doubt you will have much of a problem. I do agree that it is somewhat unfair for someone who has a breathing problem not to be able to enjoy a nice salad or steak out, but at the same time, if smoking is allowed in restaurants, why should someone obstain???

Now that I have written all of that, I feel like this was a wasted post, because for the most part, nobody cares enough about this issue to do much about it, but I have heard that in some other counties where smoking has been banned, business has increased, probably with bratty little unsocialized kids though...hehe. I am sometimes bothered by how kids act, but for the most part I blame the parents for that one, so no need in complaining about it, if I wanted not to deal with it, I would just stay home with my puppies.

 

[Toxick]

Originally posted by WiseOwl
I understand everyone has the right to live the way that they want. If people have the desire to smoke then they should. But what about the people who don't want to smoke. Why should we have to walk into a place and try to eat with smoke blowing in our direction.

I don't smoke.

Do not presume to speak for me.

YOU don't like it. Feel free to speak for yourself, and feel free to use the word "us" and "our" when it fits.

I do not mind, nor have I ever minded, smoke. In fact, the smell of some cigars I find absolutely delightful. As well as pipes.

If, however, I don't want to breath smoke - I go elsewhere.

I have never - and I mean NEVER - tried to dictate someone else's behavior to suit my whim. Especially when there are alternatives.

 

[mainman]

Originally posted by Toxick
I don't smoke.

Do not presume to speak for me.

YOU don't like it. Feel free to speak for yourself, and feel free to use the word "us" and "our" when it fits.

I do not mind, nor have I ever minded, smoke. In fact, the smell of some cigars I find absolutely delightful. As well as pipes.

If, however, I don't want to breath smoke - I go elsewhere.

I have never - and I mean NEVER - tried to dictate someone else's behavior to suit my whim. Especially when there are alternatives.

well damn...

 

[Toxick]

Re: Re: Re: restaurants smoking

Originally posted by jazz lady
And I hope they DO ban children from restaurants, too.

Yes, kids are horrible.

Especially considering the fact that they are not really humans, and are bereft of the rights afforded to decent people.

 

[Danzig]

Re: Re: special dedication...

Originally posted by valentino

While I agree that smoking in public places is not as ideal as I would like it to be, I do not think that totally banning it is fair either. I do think that ventilation could be better, and as far as I know there are no non-smoking facilities unless you count fast food establishments.

The main problem is the stink azz smokers that think it's a god given right to blow smoke wherever they want and with no regard to others around them. They have done this to them selves and I for one can’t wait till the law is passed in restaurants, I do think they should allow smoking in bars but the way it looks now that won’t be happening. Like it’s my fault you addicted and weak and can’t wait ten minutes to go outside to smoke? Well soon I won’t have to put up with it.