Rethinking our Union

[stgislander]

Just my opinion, but I see the divide as the traditional Wall Street country club wing vs. the original CWA/Tea Party and by extension Trump wing. For example, I feel the traditional Reps will screw over workers/labor any chance they'll get to enrich themselves. The CWA/TP/Trump wing is attracting worker/labor like crazy after years of having lip service paid to them by the Dems.

 

[GURPS]

Bernie used to rail against Open Borders .... Open Borders was a Koch Brothers Conspirty for Cheap Brown Labor

 

[Kyle]

The only thing that never changes about the left is their moral and ethical flexibility.

 

[Merlin99]

So anyone you disagree with?

Personalities you don't like is how you define extremists positions?

What specific legislation or executive order did Trump enact, sign or sponsor that you feel is extreme?

Ted Cruz, the same question.

Margorie Taylor Greene, the same question.

Matt Gaetz, the same question.

What legislation did Tucker Carlson or the My Pillow guy sponsor or enact?

Out of that lot, the capital rioters are the only thing I can see that might apply but I don't remember you railing against the burning, looting, attacks or murders of Antifa or BLM inc. so are only "NON-Leftists" extremists?

So I have a question for you, why did you feel the need to add Trump to the equation when awpitt didn't mention him? Did you perhaps have a canned answer ready to spring as soon as he posted any reply?

 

[Kyle]

Some examples are: Ted Cruz, the My Pillow guy, Rudy Giuliani, Margorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Tucker Carlson, the individuals who attacked the capital, and Trump.

So I have a question for you, why did you feel the need to add Trump to the equation when awpitt didn't mention him? Did you perhaps have a canned answer ready to spring as soon as he posted any reply?

See above?

And P.S. I dont' "hold onto replies." I may post them too damn quick, but I don't hold them back.

 

[Merlin99]

Some examples are: Ted Cruz, the My Pillow guy, Rudy Giuliani, Margorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Tucker Carlson, the individuals who attacked the capital, and Trump.

I happen to agree with some of this list. The people who attacked the capitol were lemmings, they were told to meet at the Capitol so that's what they did and they did what they thought would make Trump happy. MTG, MPG and Ted Cruz try to evoke a lefty response when they don't have to, it's not going to help their cause it's only going to get them a few more minutes of TV time. Let the flaming begin.

 

[Merlin99]

See above?

And P.S. I dont' "hold onto replies." I may post them too damn quick, but I don't hold them back.

I apologize, I honestly didn't see his name there at the end.

 

[Gilligan]

Some examples are: Ted Cruz, the My Pillow guy, Rudy Giuliani, Margorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Tucker Carlson, the individuals who attacked the capital, and Trump.

...lmao...we're done here.

 

[vraiblonde]

Some examples are: Ted Cruz, the My Pillow guy, Rudy Giuliani, Margorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Tucker Carlson, the individuals who attacked the capital, and Trump.

What specifically do you think is extreme about them? I'm just trying to get a handle on what the other side is thinking. Start with Tucker Carlson, and then Trump, because both of those really confuse me - I don't see either of them as extreme in the slightest.

 

[stgislander]

What specifically do you think is extreme about them? I'm just trying to get a handle on what the other side is thinking. Start with Tucker Carlson, and then Trump, because both of those really confuse me - I don't see either of them as extreme in the slightest.

Compared to the likes of Mitch, Lindsey, Liz Cheney, etc.... yeah they are extreme.

 

[vraiblonde]

Compared to the likes of Mitch, Lindsey, Liz Cheney, etc.... yeah they are extreme.

See, and I think those three crooks are extreme. Those are the names I half expected AW to come back with.

 

[Ken King]

Compared to the likes of Mitch, Lindsey, Liz Cheney, etc.... yeah they are extreme.

See, and I think those three crooks are extreme. Those are the names I half expected AW to come back with.

It must be that "extreme" is when someone tries to actually get stuff done for the people instead of the "established" process of governing; you know, blowing smoke up the people's butts while enriching themselves.

 

[Merlin99]

It must be that "extreme" is when someone tries to actually get stuff dome for the people instead of the "established" process of governing; you know, blowing smoke up the people's butts while enriching themselves.

Extreme left, extreme right, it doesn’t matter the same words apply. The only difference is what side you’re looking from. Do you really think AOC or Tlaib think they sound “extreme”.

 

[vraiblonde]

Extreme left, extreme right, it doesn’t matter the same words apply. The only difference is what side you’re looking from. Do you really think AOC or Tlaib think they sound “extreme”.

Sure. AOC revels in being extreme. She brags about it on Twitter. She thinks that extreme is what's needed to turn us into her Socialist dream.

 

[Merlin99]

Sure. AOC revels in being extreme. She brags about it on Twitter. She thinks that extreme is what's needed to turn us into her Socialist dream.

No worse than MTG, “I want to bring my piece to the floor of congress”, she just wants to be “extreme”. They don’t really think they’re being extreme, they just can’t wrap their minds around the fact that someone would have the opposite viewpoint.

 

[vraiblonde]

No worse than MTG,

You didn't ask about her, you asked about AOC and Tlaib.

 

[Merlin99]

You didn't ask about her, you asked about AOC and Tlaib.

I drew a comparison between a right and a left to display that they what one side thinks is mainstream the other side will see as extreme. Those of us in the middle see both edges as extreme or maybe just passionate.

 

[vraiblonde]

I drew a comparison between a right and a left to display that they what one side thinks is mainstream the other side will see as extreme. Those of us in the middle see both edges as extreme or maybe just passionate.

99% of the time when the bots are coughing up hairballs over Donald Trump or MTG, I have no idea why they think that's so "extreme". Every time I've seen MTG on a news show she's been sane and pragmatic, not extreme in the slightest unless you think being against political corruption and fascism is "extreme".

Like the whole ice cream debacle, when the newsbots were apoplectic that Trump got TWO SCOOPS! Because, OMG, TWO scoops! TWO!!! It's the end of our democracy!

Energy independence and bringing manufacturing back to the US - MAN is that extreme! What a right winger that guy is, eh?

MTG - "OMG, she thinks there was cheating in the 2020 election!!!" Yeah, well, me too. And plenty of other people. To me it's crazy extreme to think Joe Biden got that many votes.

Tucker Carlson - you're gonna have to help me here. He's like the exact opposite of extreme. The least extreme person on TV. I type this as I'm listening to Mark Levin on Hannity in the background - THAT is extreme. But Tucker Carlson?? (pause while I turn off Hannity)

So no, it's not always a matter of perspective. The guy who murders people and eats their hearts doesn't think he's crazy, but he is. His opinion on the matter means nothing because he's still crazy and that's that. When you're so extreme Left that you think Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan is extreme Right, now you're pure flat batshit and definitely an extremist.

 

[Kyle]

The one thing missed in all of this is that the left has moved progressively leftward, as has the nation as a whole.

Many of the "conservative" positions now would not have been conservative positions just 20-30 years ago.

The difference is, where the nation has moved slightly left "toward the center" the Democratic Party mashed the gas pedal to the floor on a full tank of gas and want to hit the wall... Hard.

Consider: Could Jack Kennedy, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson ever rise to any prominence in the Democrat #### show these days?

The DNC IS extreme and the leadership of their party on the hill and white house shows it. Nancy, Chuck, Joe... Where do any of them show "MODERATION" in the positions or actions they take?

 

[GURPS]

The difference is, where the nation has moved slightly left "toward the center" the Democratic Party mashed the gas pedal to the floor on a full tank of gas and want to hit the wall... Hard.

Yep ......

The Overton Window has shifted ...