Rudy for President?

itsbob

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rraley said:
This columnist thinks that he's certain to run....

It makes sense that the man is going to run for president. What Republican primary voters here support the former NYC mayor?

I, for one, won't be voting for him. A mayor does not have the necessary experience to become President of the United States (neither did a governor from Vermont).
Think he'd be a lot more qualified then a Senator from Massachusetts.. you need NO leadership ability to be a senator.. better then a wife of a former president.. and he led the largest city in this country through crisis, cool headed, and in control.. He'd get my vote, he actually has proven his leadership under fire.
 

vraiblonde

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rraley said:
A mayor does not have the necessary experience to become President of the United States (neither did a governor from Vermont).
I disagree. It's Senators and Representatives that don't have the necessary experience. All they do is legislate, which isn't in a Presidents job description, while mayors and governors are actually working on an executive level.
 

itsbob

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vraiblonde said:
I disagree. It's Senators and Representatives that don't have the necessary experience. All they do is legislate, which isn't in a Presidents job description, while mayors and governors are actually working on an executive level.
Lookie there.. me and vrai agree on sumpin!! :cheers:
 

aps45819

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rraley said:
I, for one, won't be voting for him. A mayor does not have the necessary experience to become President of the United States (neither did a governor from Vermont).
Given a choice between him and Hillary, he'd get my vote. as to the Primary, have to wait and see what the choices are.
 

rraley

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itsbob, Rudy Guiliani did do a great job of keeping New York moving forward. But I don't credit him or any other leader with the ability of pulling New York out of that terrible situation. The credit goes to the New Yorkers themselves and the nature of the American people...when we meet challenge, we move forward and cope with it. And when I watched TV after 9/11, I saw four people in NYC: Rudy Guiliani, George Pataki, Chuck Schumer, and Hilary Clinton. Shouldn't credit go all around and not just to the mayor?

To vraiblonde...I think that senators make great presidents; the problem is getting them elected because so many votes in their past can be misrepresented. Look to history: Kennedy, Johnson (beside Vietnam), Truman. All great presidents who came from the Senate.
 

rraley

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aps45819 said:
Given a choice between him and Hillary, he'd get my vote. as to the Primary, have to wait and see what the choices are.

Let's say John McCain, Bill Frist, Chuck Hagel, and Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour (four other mentioned candidates).
 

2ndAmendment

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rraley said:
Let's say John McCain, Bill Frist, Chuck Hagel, and Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour (four other mentioned candidates).
I know enough not to vote for John McCain. He is a Democrat in Republican clothing. I don't know enough about the others to make an informed choice.
 

Tonio

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vraiblonde said:
I disagree. It's Senators and Representatives that don't have the necessary experience. All they do is legislate, which isn't in a Presidents job description, while mayors and governors are actually working on an executive level.
I agree. I prefer that any Presidential candidate to have a minimum of one term as a governor or as a big-city major. It certainly helps if the candidate has also had legislative experience.

I think Rudy has potential for the Presidency, because he seems like a centrist. But I'd like to see him serve as NY governor before making a run at the White House.
 

vraiblonde

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rraley said:
Kennedy, Johnson (beside Vietnam), Truman. All great presidents who came from the Senate.
I beg your pardon. Both of those might have had some great moments, but they were NOT great Presidents. Kennedy was mediocre, at best, and Johnson should have been impeached the second he sat his butt in the Oval Office.

The fact is that Governors' and Mayors' jobs are closely aligned with what a President does. Senators and Representatives are not. Senators and Representatives aspire to be Governors, not the other way around because Congress is a step down from an executive position.
 

Tonio

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vraiblonde said:
Johnson should have been impeached the second he sat his butt in the Oval Office.
Why? I know that Johnson had ties to crooked political machines back in Texas. He often gets credited for pushing through the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but do you think that credit is deserved or undeserved?
 

FromTexas

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I don't want Rudy on the ticket. He has more skeletons in his closet that Ted Bundy. Its all well and good that everyone remembers the post 9/11 Rudy, but remember, he ran New York City... You don't run that town without getting a bit dirty and maybe you forget all the many attributed connections and poor dealings Rudy has had over the years. That all got washed away with 9/11, but they will come back if he runs.
 

vraiblonde

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Tex, ALL politicians are dirty. Every single last one of them. You don't get to be a major elected official without greasing some palms and making some unfortunate alliances. Then, when you DO get elected, it's payback time.

Plus, anything and everything is held up to the stark, harsh light of public opinion, which makes this stuff sound worse than it really is. Unless your a Democrat - then the news dudes will make it sound more frivolous than what it is.

I was pretty impressed that all they could dig up on Bush was a 25 year old DWI and a shaky AWOL charge.
 

FromTexas

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vraiblonde said:
Tex, ALL politicians are dirty. Every single last one of them. You don't get to be a major elected official without greasing some palms and making some unfortunate alliances. Then, when you DO get elected, it's payback time.

Plus, anything and everything is held up to the stark, harsh light of public opinion, which makes this stuff sound worse than it really is. Unless your a Democrat - then the news dudes will make it sound more frivolous than what it is.

I was pretty impressed that all they could dig up on Bush was a 25 year old DWI and a shaky AWOL charge.

I agree they all are dirty. However, do you not remember the non-stop litany of everything wrong with Rudy? I mean, his relationships to organized crime, his "relationship" to the parking ticket/towing racket, and the list goes on. It all disappeared with 9/11 and him not being Mayor anymore. This was a guy who most of the world who knew him did not look very favorably upon. Its a bit different than digging for national guard records or DWIs. His closet is vast.
 

FromTexas

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vraiblonde said:
That's true. But do you think he's dirtier than Hillary?

Not really, but I think we may just kill off Hillary before 08. :killingme Thats a figure of speech.. not literal ..
 

virgovictoria

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FromTexas said:
Not really, but I think we may just kill off Hillary before 08. :killingme Thats a figure of speech.. not literal ..


Go for literal, we won't turn you in... Or just aim high with your hopes!

I would be positive towards really looking into McCain and Guiliani. Sorry to say, I'm not adverse to some street law playing into the scheme of things where politicians are concerned. Law has gone too far in my opinion and has gotten in the way of justice. When a politician has become dirty v. human or turned corrupt, then I object.. Cobwebs in the closet are one thing, skeletons another.

It'll be interesting...
 
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