School shootings

[Geek]

None of those things will protect people who are unwilling to protect themselves.

Really? First off I think every child should be trained to protect themselves. We honestly don't have a choice anymore. A teacher sees an intruder, calls the armed officer on property with the walkie You do not think that would help :shrug:

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

It is apples and oranges, a prisoner gains nothing by attacking a guard, a schoolchild gains life and freedom.

It's has to be a GROUP decision, something the kids are readied for, trained to do. Sitting passiviely thinking "It won't happen here" is NOT the right attitude, you have to think what if it DOES happen. When I was a kid we were taught to hide under our desks at the sound of a Nuke alarm, and we all reacted immediatly.. practice having an intruder rushing into the classroom, and see how fast kids can empty their desks at him/her.

Absolutely... You really have an option of dying and it being you maybe someone else or dying to save your friends. I don't think everyone would attack and it would provoke him but I'd still go after him.

 

[itsbob]

What if you could see him coming? What about a security camera and walkie talkies in every class room? How about armed deputies at every school? There is nothing more important then protecting the kids. Right now they are bait for these screwed up cowards.

On the nesw they had one school that ALMOST had it right, all doors are locked, you can only get into ONE door, and must provide ID.. of course if the assailant is a student (Columbine) that system doesn't work well. ANd of course they showed the teacher (I assume) opening the door to check their ID's, so they lost their security against an unknown intruder at that point, of course the chances are she knew the students, and opened the door to greet them as they dug out their ID's.

I don't know how to make a school perfectly secure where you can prevent EVERY psycho with delusions of fame from getting into a school armed, so you must prepare for the event when one does get in.

 

[Geek]

All fine by me.

I thought that was a link

 

[RoseRed]

I am Not Agreeing With What He Did...

but I had a friend in High School that brought a sawed off shotgun to school. It was not meant to hurt any of the students (nor did I ever feel threatened). He thought it would be fun to blow off the concrete encasement around the trash can outside to Vice Principal's office.

He was expelled.

 

[ylexot]

Really? First off I think every child should be trained to protect themselves. We honestly don't have a choice anymore. A teacher sees an intruder, calls the armed officer on property with the walkie You do not think that would help :shrug:

Give the teacher a gun. Cut out the middle man.

 

[Geek]

On the nesw they had one school that ALMOST had it right, all doors are locked, you can only get into ONE door, and must provide ID.. of course if the assailant is a student (Columbine) that system doesn't work well. ANd of course they showed the teacher (I assume) opening the door to check their ID's, so they lost their security against an unknown intruder at that point, of course the chances are she knew the students, and opened the door to greet them as they dug out their ID's.

I don't know how to make a school perfectly secure where you can prevent EVERY psycho with delusions of fame from getting into a school armed, so you must prepare for the event when one does get in.

And a few deterrents to discourage them. The sad fact is we can't protect kids right now as schools are. There is always recess or like you mentioned students or parents that can get past saftey measures. I do not think we can pretend that it won't happen here. Every single shooting has had "We never thought it would happen here" in the first few paragraphs of the story. You know why you don't see these cowards in inner city schools? Because the kids there know how to throw down.

 

[Geek]

Give the teacher a gun. Cut out the middle man.

Want to hear a true story? I know of a local teacher that crapped her pants at school, rinsed out her drawers and hung them on a doorknob out side of her classroom. When they were not dry by lunch she put them in the microwave in the teachers' lounge then burned her hand when she took them out. Then she got worker's comp. I do not want to give her a gun.

 

[mainman]

Want to hear a true story? I know of a local teacher that crapped her pants at school, rinsed out her drawers and hung them on a doorknob out side of her classroom. When they were not dry by lunch she put them in the microwave in the teachers' lounge then burned her hand when she took them out. Then she got worker's comp. I do not want to give her a gun.

So when will you be cleared to return to work?

 

[RoseRed]

Want to hear a true story? I know of a local teacher that crapped her pants at school, rinsed out her drawers and hung them on a doorknob out side of her classroom. When they were not dry by lunch she put them in the microwave in the teachers' lounge then burned her hand when she took them out. Then she got worker's comp. I do not want to give her a gun.

I don't think I would want her to teach my child.

 

[Pandora]

Want to hear a true story? I know of a local teacher that crapped her pants at school, rinsed out her drawers and hung them on a doorknob out side of her classroom. When they were not dry by lunch she put them in the microwave in the teachers' lounge then burned her hand when she took them out. Then she got worker's comp. I do not want to give her a gun.

OMG

 

[RoseRed]

So when will you be cleared to return to work?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mainman again.

 

[Geek]

So when will you be cleared to return to work?

You know it is not me. And yes I will get you her phone number

 

[mainman]

You know it is not me. And yes I will get you her phone number

 

[BuddyLee]

The point you are missing here is a prisoner will live if he doesn't attempt to take over the room. A student in a classroom with an armed intruder has little chance of surviving because that person went into the school with the explicit intent on killing.

It is apples and oranges, a prisoner gains nothing by attacking a guard, a schoolchild gains life and freedom.

Therefore, every prisoner from every single prison ever known to man is an irrational being for even 'trying' to escape (even if he does escape successfully). What does a prisoner have to gain by escaping you ask, more than what he has if he's locked up. What's to live for...in prison?

...but wait!

There is also a risk involved if he tries to accomplish this feat. He is almost sure to get nailed, just like the first kid who tries to rush the intruder alone.

Right now, I'd say attacking without a plan would be a failure unless the intruder makes a wrong move.

 

[Pete]

Therefore, every prisoner from every single prison ever known to man is an irrational being for even 'trying' to escape (even if he does escape successfully). What does a prisoner have to gain by escaping you ask, more than what he has if he's locked up. What's to live for...in prison?

...but wait!

There is also a risk involved if he tries to accomplish this feat. He is almost sure to get nailed, just like the first kid who tries to rush the intruder alone.

Right now, I'd say attacking without a plan would be a failure unless the intruder makes a wrong move.

You are not being a very good devils advocate because your point is stupid.

 

[BuddyLee]

You are not being a very good devils advocate because your point is stupid.

So I am supposing that as a child in school, you would have been the first to stand up and lead the charge?

 

[Pete]

So I am supposing that as a child in school, you would have been the first to stand up and lead the charge?

That supposition may be correct. I will say at any age I would rather fight than wait my turn to be executed.

The point I made was that your argument was countered numerous times and your example was refuted numerous different ways yet you still restated the same point over and over.

An en masse rush would be highly effective if executed. You make it sound as though the students draw straws and go in pairs. That would not work.

 

[BuddyLee]

An en masse rush would be highly effective if executed. You make it sound as though the students draw straws and go in pairs. That would not work.

That's the problem, 'if executed'. How many kids are thinking about executing something like that? Right now the students don't have a plan, so to you they're automatically telepathic so as to make a strategic plan of attack in a mere inkling of a moment. I just don't find that plausible.

If there were a plan set in place, the students would have a better shot but as of now there is no plan in place.

 

[Geek]

That's the problem, 'if executed'. How many kids are thinking about executing something like that? Right now the students don't have a plan, so to you they're automatically telepathic so as to make a strategic plan of attack in a mere inkling of a moment. I just don't find that plausible.

If there were a plan set in place, the students would have a better shot but as of now there is no plan in place.

Some of the bravest people I have ever met were kids. Don't underestimate them.