Scooter Libby

[itsbob]

No more double standard than what has been displayed by the GOPers. Impeachment is the equivalent of being charged or indicted. It just takes the person to trial. The trial is where guilt or acquittal is decided. In the case of the Prez, the Senate is the jury. In the case of one of us, we get a regular jury. When there’s an acquittal, the original charge/impeachment no longer matters.

So you're saying because he didn't get convicted he DIDN'T do it??

He didn't have sex with THAT woman?

He didn't get a blow job in the oval office??

He didn't lie about it??

He didn't commit the same crime Libby was convicted of?

 

[SamSpade]

All I'm saying is that if I get pulled over for speeding, I know I'm not reaching for the "But the Porsche was going faster than I was!!!" defense.

What if the Porsche was speeding - and you weren't - and they pulled you over - asked you for your license - asked if that was your picture - asked what color eyes you have - asked you your weight OOOOOPS not what's on the license - you're going to jail.

Oh by the way we know who's driving the Porsche but we're not prosecuting him.

 

[awpitt]

And to top it off - the guy who is "guilty" - Armitage - isn't tried for anything - because the whole purpose of the investigation - "who outed Plame?" - is deemed to not even be a crime in the first place.
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You mentioned Armitage. Wasn't Bob Novak involved with making it public?

 

[ylexot]

Actually, I sort of felt sorry for the guy as he was the scapegoat covering for Cheney’s azz.

What did Cheney do?

 

[SamSpade]

And to top it off - the guy who is "guilty" - Armitage - isn't tried for anything - because the whole purpose of the investigation - "who outed Plame?" - is deemed to not even be a crime in the first place.
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You mentioned Armitage. Wasn't Bob Novak involved with making it public?

He was the journalist who published the information. Also not charged with anything. Not that he would be.

 

[ylexot]

You mentioned Armitage. Wasn't Bob Novak involved with making it public?

Bob Novak is a private citizen without a security clearance. Someone with clearance has to leak classified info to someone without clearance. The leaker is the one committing the crime.

 

[forestal]

Democratic witch hunt? Do I need to remind you it was a bunch of republicans who started it at the request of the CIA?

Patrick Fitzgerald isn't a partisan politician by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is the conservative judge that sentenced Libby.

You just don't think that laws apply to conservatives caught with their pants down.

Anyway, glad Scooter has been pardoned. That whole thing was a Democrat witch-hunt to begin with.

 

[awpitt]

So you're saying because he didn't get convicted he DIDN'T do it??

He didn't have sex with THAT woman?

He didn't get a blow job in the oval office??

He didn't lie about it??

He didn't commit the same crime Libby was convicted of?

Well, I wasn't there so I don't know but in this country, when you’re acquitted, it pretty much works that way. At least I’m pretty sure there was still a <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">US</st1lace></st1:country-region> flag flying over the post office this morning so I don’t think anything has changed. And since you mentioned blow job, this guy sums it up pretty well… http://www.jibjab.com/view/148692

 

[vraiblonde]

What did Cheney do?

I'd like to know that as well. There was some Democrat person on the news just now who said that Cheney is the one who should have gone to jail and Libby took the fall for him. Yet this person didn't say what Cheney did, nor did the news person seem inclined to ask - they just accepted that Cheney did something wrong and should be in jail.

 

[forestal]

Yep, my mistake. As i understand it, by not pardoning him, Libby can now take the fifth instead of being forced to testify about this matter.

Works out great for a president with lots of things to hide from the public.

He wasn’t pardoned. Bush commuted his sentence, the prison part. The fine and probation stand and the conviction stays on his record.

 

[forestal]

Did any of those folks commit treason against this country by blowing the cover of an NOC CIA agent trying to prevent Iran from getting WMD's?

guess not.

try again skippy.

As long is the standard is applied evenly, that's a great idea. Let's start here with slick Willie the bank robber and more!

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

 

[forestal]

Gosh, skippy, it's kind of hard to find out if it was a crime when Libby lied to the grand jury about what he knew.

Well hoo-ray. The whole thing was idiotic to begin with - why do you spend years investigating a bunch of people when you know from the very beginning who did it - and it wasn't even a crime anyway?

 

[vraiblonde]

Did any of those folks commit treason against this country by blowing the cover of an NOC CIA agent trying to prevent Iran from getting WMD's?

What are you talking about? Who blew the cover of a CIA agent?

 

[vraiblonde]

Gosh, skippy, it's kind of hard to find out if it was a crime when Libby lied to the grand jury about what he knew.

Again, what are you talking about?

 

[T.Rally]

The person most responsible for the demise of his wife's CIA career was Joe Wilson. Mr Wilson chose to go public with the false accusation that his report debunked the claims that Iraqis had gone shopping for uranium in Niger and it had been circulated to senior administration officials. He had to know that these officials and reporters were going to question why a retired ambassador to Niger was sent on this mission by the CIA. The answer most certainly pointed to his wife and to divert attention from himself he concocted a conspiracy theory to implicate the President's closest aides. It's sad so many took and still take this buffoon seriously.

 

[MMDad]

Did any of those folks commit treason against this country by blowing the cover of an NOC CIA agent trying to prevent Iran from getting WMD's?

guess not.

try again skippy.

Are you saying that Libby was convicted of treason?

 

[forestal]

Hey now! Lying about BJs is obviously more serious than committing treason against the country.

Please get your priorities straight.

heh.

You mean exactly like Kenneth Starr and His Merry Band of Knuckletards did in the 90's?

 

[vraiblonde]

Hey now! Lying about BJs is obviously more serious than committing treason against the country.

Who committed treason?

Forestal, are we even part of the same topic of conversation?

 

[forestal]

Doubt you know much about these cases other than the one line representations you've stated here. Sometimes the justice system runs amok.

Gee, looky how Clinton operated..........These are just a FEW of his pardons.

I had to keep shortening the list BC the board only allows 10,000 characters. The entire list was over 50,000!!!


NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
David Phillip Aronsohn D. Minn. 1961 Failure to pay special occupational tax on wagering, 26 U.S.C. § 7203
Wanda Kaye Bain-Prentice D. Ariz. 1982 Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341
Antonio Barucco U. S. Army general court-martial 1945 Desertion in violation of the 58th Article of War
Kristine Margo Beck D. Idaho 1981 Bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
David Christopher Billmaier D. New Mex. 1980 Possession with intent to distribute amphetamines, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Terry Lee Brown E. D. Ky. 1962 Interstate transportation of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312
Joe Carl Bruton N. D. Tex. 1979 Conspiracy to commit mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Nolan Lynn DeMarce W. D. Wis. 1983 Making false statements to obtain bank loans, 18 U.S.C. § 1014
Jimmy C. Dick N. D. Calif. 1976 Conspiracy to manufacture counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Edward Eugene Dishman W. D. Okla. 1983 Conspiracy to defraud the United States and Oklahoma counties, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Brenda Kay Engle S. D. Ind. 1983 Conspiracy to commit theft from interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Mary Theresa Fajer D. Oregon 1980 Conspiracy to commit bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 371
Albert James Forte D. Dist. Col. 1973 Making and subscribing false and fraudulent income tax return, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1)
Fendley Lee Frazier S. D. Ala. 1965 Interstate transportation of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312
Robert Linward Freeland, Jr. N. D. Ind. 1983 Forcible rescue of seized property, 26 U.S.C. § 7212(b)
Ralph Leon Furst S. D. Calif. 1966 Embezzlement of United States mail (U.S. Code section not cited)
Barbara Ann Gericke W. D. Wis. 1984 Conspiracy to introduce contraband into federal prison, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1791
Billy Joe Gilmore N. D. Tex. 1982 Mail fraud and aiding and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
Loreto Joseph Iafrate N. D. W. Va. 1976 Failure to record receipt of firearms, 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(m) and 924(a)
Carl Bruce Jones W. D. Mo. 1983 Distribution of marijuana and use of telephone to facilitate marijuana distribution, 18 U.S.C. § 2 and 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and 843(b)
Candace Deon Leverenz N. D. Calif. 1972 Unlawful distribution of LSD, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and (b)(1)(B)
George William Lindgren S. D. N. Y. 1975 Bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Brian George Meierkord C. D. Ill. 1983 Making false statement to bank, 18 U.S.C. § 1014
Jackie Lee Miller N. D. Okla. 1983 Conspiracy to defraud the United States, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Joseph Patrick Naulty E. D. Pa. 1980 Carrying away goods moving as part of foreign shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659
Theodore Roosevelt Noel N. D. Ala. 1972 Selling whiskey in unstamped containers and making false statement in the acquisition of firearms from licensed dealer, 26 U.S.C. § 5604(a)(1) and 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(a)(6) and 924(a)
Mary Louise Oaks M. D. La. 1979 Conspiracy to defraud the government with respect to claims, 18 U.S.C. § 286
Robert Paul Padelsky D. Utah 1980 Misapplication of bank funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Elizabeth Amy Peterson D. Nev. 1985 Conspiracy to make false statements to bank, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Susan Lauranne Prather W. D. Ark. 1975 Causing marijuana to be transported through the mail, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)
Gary Lynn Quammen W. D. Wis. 1976 Misapplication of bank funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Robert Ronal Raymond D. Conn. 1972 Conspiracy to manufacture, receive, possess, and sell firearms silencers, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Elizabeth Hogg Rushing N. D. Ga. 1978 Misapplication of bank funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Marc Alan Schaffer S. D. N. Y. 1968 Submission of false statements to Selective Service System Local Board, 50 U.S.C. Appendix § 462(a)
Roy Aaron Smith E. D. Tex. 1982 Misprision of a felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4
Diane Dorothea Smunk D. So. Dak. 1984 Embezzlement by government employee, 18 U.S.C. § 641
Thomas Peter Stathakis D. So. Car. 1976 Selling and delivering firearms to out-of-state resident and falsifying firearms records, 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(b)(3), 922(m), and 924(a)
Kathleen Vacanti C. D. Calif. 1979 Conspiracy to defraud the United States by obtaining payment of false claims, presenting false claims to the United States, forging a writing, and aiding and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 286, 287, and 495
Pupi White W. D. Mo. 1985 Making false statement on United States passport application, 18 U.S.C. § 911
Charles Coleman Wicker E. D. Mo. 1975 Conspiracy to conduct illegal gambling business, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Roderick Douglas Woods S. D. Miss. 1982 Misappropriation of bank funds and aiding and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 656 and 2

April 17, 1995
NAME DISTRICT SENTENCED OFFENSE
Bradley Vaughn Barisic N. D. Calif. 1980 Making false statement to National Labor Relations Board, 18 U.S.C. § 1001
Herschel L. Brantley U. S. Air Force general court-martial 1951 Larceny in violation of 93rd Article of War
Linda Bailey Byars D. So. Car. 1975 Bank embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Patricia Ann Chapin W. D. Mo. 1986 Falsifying prescription for controlled substance, 21 U.S.C. § 843(a)(4)(A) and 18 U.S.C. § 2
Ronald Jacobs E. D. Pa. 1967 Theft from interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659
Margaret Mary Marks N. D. Ohio 1984 Willful misapplication of bank funds, 18 U.S.C. § 657
John Richard Martin S. D. Calif. 1956 Embezzlement of funds from savings and loan association, 18 U.S.C. § 657
Earl Thomas McKinney 1. U. S. Air Force summary court-martial 1. 1951 1. Absent without leave

 

[forestal]

was an obvious partisan witch hunt, as Clinton's soaring popularity during the impeachment process proved.

Yea you know, the one that ended in THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT CLINTON!!