Scooter Libby

[forestal]

What, lying about sex, or lying about blowing the cover of a CIA NOC agent trying to prevent Iran from getting WMD's?

Ironic that Libby was convicted of the same thing as Clinton, isn't it?

 

[forestal]

No this was absolutely the thing he had to do. This allows Libby to take the 5th in any future testimony.

Bush shouldn't have bothered commuting Scooter's sentence.

 

[forestal]

No, a pardon would have been the worst thing Bush could have done. If he had given him a pardon, Libby could be forced to testify before congress and not assert his 5th amendment rights.

Bush should give him a full pardon and stick it in the eye of the Democrats. I thought perjury wasn't a crime anymore, anyway.

 

[forestal]

Yes, surely lying about BlowJays can be compared to blowing the cover of a CIA NOC agent trying to prevent Iran from getting WMD's.

Three things -

First - it's massively hypocritical of libs to *defend* Clinton because they thought he was the victim of a witch hunt but attack Libby for the same thing. If you thought that Starr went on a fishing expedition then certainly this one was worse. It was known before the investigation began that Armitage was the "leak" and he's not convicted of anything - because it wasn't a crime. You just can't defend one but attack the other.

Secondly - the Starr investigation at least was partially connected to an actual lawsuit regarding something that actually was a crime. Personally, from what I know of the case, she never really had a chance.

Thirdly - Unlike anyone higher up in this administration - Clinton himself did knowingly lie before a grand jury, obstructed justice by hiding evidence and suborned perjury - he got other people to lie to back up his story. Although senators such as Robert Byrd went on record as saying it was a crime worthy of removal from office, they refused to do it. Unlike Libby - Clinton didn't get convicted. He got off scot-free. Until yesterday Libby was facing jail.

Personally - I think libs have NO right to complain. None.

 

[forestal]

It's easy to get impeached. That's like being charged of a crime. Being found guilty is a much higher hurdle.

Well, he was impeached, anyway.

The double-standard of the Democrats is fascinating.

 

[vraiblonde]

What, lying about sex, or lying about blowing the cover of a CIA NOC agent trying to prevent Iran from getting WMD's?

Again, who blew the cover of a CIA agent?

 

[forestal]

Yep, he was investigated, prosecuted, tried, and senctenced by Republicans.

What sort of idiot would call this a Democratic witch hunt?

How is it worse? Libby was prosecuted by a republican appointee. He was tried and convicted by a jury. He was sentenced by a judge who was appointed by Bush. Actually, I sort of felt sorry for the guy as he was the scapegoat covering for Cheney’s azz.

 

[forestal]

It's very easy to link Republicans to Bush when the John Q. Public's sons and daughters are dying and no progess is being shown in Iraq. That's probably one of the reasons why the Dems haven't been so forceful with ending this war: they think it will benefit them when the elections roll around in 2008.

When we have comments lie this:

It is appropriate to show that it goes both ways. If the whacko left wants to link all Republicans to Bush it is only fair to link all of the Clintonistas to his pardons.

 

[forestal]

Yep, hard to find a crime when those being investigated lie to the grand jury. Fitzgerald has said as much.

Worse in the respect that this investigation could ONLY be called a fishing expedition - and it served to unearth nothing pertaining to an actual crime.

What were they actually investigating? Who leaked Valerie Plame's covert status? They knew that before they started, although that wasn't publicly known. Where else in the world do you get to subject people to investigation that you already know aren't necessary?

And to top it off - the guy who is "guilty" - Armitage - isn't tried for anything - because the whole purpose of the investigation - "who outed Plame?" - is deemed to not even be a crime in the first place.

I'm still wondering why it makes any difference if he lied or not. They were never going to find anyone who was guilty, because they already knew who the culprit was.

 

[MMDad]

It's easy to get impeached.

Do you even think about what you post? If it's "easy" to get impeached, why has it only happened twice in over 200 years?

 

[forestal]

Jiminy Christmas but you Republicans like to look the other way when it's one of your own breaking the law.

What are you talking about? Who blew the cover of a CIA agent?

 

[vraiblonde]

Yep, hard to find a crime when those being investigated lie to the grand jury.

What are you talking about? Fitzgerald already knows who "outed" Valerie Plame. He knew that before Libby was convicted. The whole world knows.

Except apparently you.

 

[forestal]

False accusation? Iraq had NO WMDs. Wilson was blowing the lid off Bush's lies and for that his wife has her career ended, the CIA has a major program shut down, and Iran is much closer to getting WMD's.

The person most responsible for the demise of his wife's CIA career was Joe Wilson. Mr Wilson chose to go public with the false accusation that his report debunked the claims that Iraqis had gone shopping for uranium in Niger and it had been circulated to senior administration officials. He had to know that these officials and reporters were going to question why a retired ambassador to Niger was sent on this mission by the CIA. The answer most certainly pointed to his wife and to divert attention from himself he concocted a conspiracy theory to implicate the President's closest aides. It's sad so many took and still take this buffoon seriously.

 

[forestal]

No, I'm saying he commited treason.

Are you saying that Libby was convicted of treason?

 

[vraiblonde]

Jiminy Christmas but you Republicans like to look the other way when it's one of your own breaking the law.

Do you know anything about this case at all?

 

[vraiblonde]

No, I'm saying he commited treason.

In what way?

 

[forestal]

Actually Armitage was only one of many that leaked classified information. It appears that he did it unknowingly, and actually feels bad about the mistake he made, unlike the rest of the Bush Cabal.

If we were to pretend for one second that you were honestly upset that someone outed a Covert CIA Agent (even though Plame wasnt), and not out for partisan chicanery.

We'd then have to wonder why are you after Libby, and where is your outrage at Armitage, since he is the one that "outed" Plame.

Since you havent posted any of your "outrage" at Armitage, it just reinforces that its a rhetorical question, and you are just looking for a Reputard to go on the block for any B.S. reason.

 

[Kerad]

What if the Porsche was speeding - and you weren't - and they pulled you over - asked you for your license - asked if that was your picture - asked what color eyes you have - asked you your weight OOOOOPS not what's on the license - you're going to jail.

Oh by the way we know who's driving the Porsche but we're not prosecuting him.

Oh trust me...if I get pulled over for speeding, I most certainly would have been speeding.

My point is, if I'm doing 80 in a 65mph zone, I am guilty of speeding. The fact that the Porsche may have been doing 90 is irrelevant. It doesn't make me any less guilty of speeding.

The crime that was initially being investigated is irrelevant to Libby's guilt or innocence when it comes to the perjury charge. He lied to the FBI and the grand jury during the investigation. He was tried, convicted by a jury, and sentenced. Guilty.

Bush thinks the sentence was too harsh, so he stripped the jail time. Isn't that wonderful! Is this what President Bush is going to spend his final months in office doing? Examining the sentences of all convicted felons, and adjusting the sentence based on his opinion of fairness?

Or is it maybe that he felt he owed Scooter something for agreeing to be the scapegoat and taking one for the team.

Once again...I'm not upset about it. It's what I expect.

 

[MMDad]

No, I'm saying he commited treason.

You have some sort of evidence? You should share that so that he can be prosecuted, since nobody but you seems to have found any evidence.

 

[PsyOps]

Yep, prosecutor said he was unable to find out how high up this treason went because Libby lied.

So, does pardoning a traitor make Bush a traitor?

How many people will Bush ruin to keep his deceit hidden?

Inquiring minds want to know.

This is actually great news. It's better to have this done before the next elections take place. Now we can link all Republicans to Bush and tar and feather them all.

"Today's decision is yet another example that this administration simply considers itself above the law,"… Hillary Clinton

"The President's decision to commute Mr. Libby's sentence is disgraceful. Libby's conviction was the one faint glimmer of accountability for White House efforts to manipulate intelligence and silence critics of the Iraq war. Now, even that small bit of justice has been undone…. Harry Reid

"The president's commutation of Scooter Libby's prison sentence does not serve justice, condones criminal conduct, and is a betrayal of trust of the American people.”… Nancy Pelosi

“As Independence Day nears, we are reminded that one of the principles our forefathers fought for was equal justice under the law. This commutation completely tramples on that principle.”… Charles Schumer

What the above said about Sandy Burglar’s act of treason.

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COMMUTATIONS, REMISSIONS, AND REPRIEVES GRANTED BY PRESIDENT CLINTON

What the above said to these:

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What the new incoming democrats said prior to taking control of Congress:

"Today the American people voted for change, and they voted for Democrats to take our country in a new direction... to restore stability and bipartisanship"