Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
AP said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060709/ap_on_re_us/slavery_reparations
I'm sorry, but
. My family were poor Polish immigrants so I don't want to see my tax dollors going anywhere near this.
Slavery reparations gaining momentum
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060709/ap_on_re_us/slavery_reparations
I'm sorry, but
. My family were poor Polish immigrants so I don't want to see my tax dollors going anywhere near this.
Softballkid
No Longer the Kid
Bustem' Down said:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060709/ap_on_re_us/slavery_reparations
I'm sorry, but
agreed........
Bustem' Down said:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060709/ap_on_re_us/slavery_reparations
I'm sorry, but
Mine were immigrants from just AFTER the Civil War - well, at least, on my father's side.
But that doesn't matter, from the reparations argument. None of that does. Because the premise for reparations IN THE FIRST PLACE is that the current system is skewed so greatly towards non-blacks, that your ancestors, poor or not benefitted from it more than former slaves did. The injustices are inherent to the society built on the backs of slaves - therefore, it doesn't even matter if you're of Asian or Arab or Indian or Hispanic background - you got benefits that they did not.
One part of the article deals in part with an issue I concur with, even if I'm not sure where he's going with it - and that's that, paying people a pile o' cash for wrongs done over 100 years ago doesn't "solve" problems of today. Heck, we gave people cash for Katrina ONE YEAR AGO, and tons of it went to strip bars and junk. Giving away money doesn't solve the problem.
You know, though, and I hate to say this, but I'd be willing to pay reparations if it did one thing it's not going to do - but if it did, I'd do it in a heartbeat - and that's put an end to the constant playing of the race card. I'm tired of people making things about race when it has no relevance except to unfairly benefit the person lodging the complaint.
Railroad
Routinely Derailed
SamSpade said:
They holler about putting an end to all kinds of prejudice, yet keep it alive by bringing it up (in a belligerent way) all the time.
An acquaintance of mine brings up an interesting point: without the slave trade, a lot of those folks wouldn't be here, they'd be living in Africa someplace. It doesn't take much thought to figure out which address is more desirable. They have benefitted from the very thing they are so angry about.
Every day we (all of us) wake up in the U.S., in a free country unique in so many ways, is a gift whose value is beyond estimation. Being able to live here and being a legal citizen (with the accompanying benefits) are compensation enough for any honest person. The rest, as a U.S. citizen, you are allowed to earn.
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KingFish
Nothing to see here
I wish I could find the article from the post I clipped out several years ago. It was written by an educated black man and he basically is thankful his ansestors were slaves. Because of it, the now has a great life and future for his kids instead of being in the bush of Africa.
He went on talking about how tiresome it is to hear the black youth today trying to get free hand outs for something that did not happen to them and gave the advice to work hard to better yourself. Do well in school, go to college or the armed forces and make something of yourselfs instead of expecting the world to owe them a living.
If I find it, I will post it. It had a lot of truth in it.
He went on talking about how tiresome it is to hear the black youth today trying to get free hand outs for something that did not happen to them and gave the advice to work hard to better yourself. Do well in school, go to college or the armed forces and make something of yourselfs instead of expecting the world to owe them a living.
If I find it, I will post it. It had a lot of truth in it.
KingFish
Nothing to see here
This link has a lot of truth in it as well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4L9xHt48dUQ&mode=related&search=chappelle reparations
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4L9xHt48dUQ&mode=related&search=chappelle reparations
This is why reparations will never fly. There isn't a single former slave alive today, nor any black person who doesn't have the same opportunities anyone else does.KingFish said:
The "black leadership" (which is an offensive concept in and of itself) doesn't want to improve race relations, any more than the NOW babes want women to be "equals". If that happened, it would put them out of business and they'd have to get real jobs instead of running their mouths, stirring up hate and discontent.
And it's interesting because after his son was killed, his wife wrote a letter to USA Today and said that "white America taught her son's killer to hate blacks".Railroad said:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/191.html
She was promptly taken to the woodshed for this, considering "white America" made her husband one of the wealthiest and most beloved entertainers of the 20th century.
About Camille Cosby:
I'm willing to believe her comments were made out of grief and anger at her son's death - people say all kinds of things when they're emotional. But it's interesting that racism was her reflexive reaction.
I'm willing to believe her comments were made out of grief and anger at her son's death - people say all kinds of things when they're emotional. But it's interesting that racism was her reflexive reaction.
Sure, and you can have compassion for a mother who's just lost her son. But, again, her first instinct was to blame racism, not just with the killer but ALL of white America.Railroad said:
So my take is that "black America" taught Camille Cosby to play the race card as a reflex.
You see it all the time. It's the first thing liberal blacks do when things don't go their way - and liberal whites as well.
Coaster
New Member
MMDad said:
Camille Cosby said: "Presumably, Markhasev did not learn to hate Black people in his native country, the Ukraine, where the Black population was near zero. Nor was he likely to see America's intolerable, stereotypical movies and television programs about Blacks, which were not shown in the Soviet Union before the killer and his family moved to America in the late 1980s.'
Quote from July 27, 1998
Nupe2
Well-Known Member
I knew this thread would raise some uncomfortable issues. I've joked in the past that I was glad that my ancestors were slow, otherwise I wouldn't be living in the greatest nation in the world. However, if any of you think that I, who have been relatively successful, have not been affected by slavery, I beg to differ.
Slavery based solely on the color of a person's skin existed for a longer period of time in this country than it hasn't. The supremacist attitude birthed by this history has engrained itself in the minds and culture of many in this country. A lot of that has to do with human nature and our treatment of those who differ from us. In this country though, we took this to a level that legalized the proposition that SOME men were not equal and in fact were not men at all. This legalized system of subjugation was eventually replaced with legal segregation and has now been, in large measure, replaced with de facto segregation. This segregation and separatism has led to unequal educational opportunities, unequal access to capital, unequal access to justice and violent opposition to those black Americans who dared to raise their voices in opposition. Unfortunately, these conditions continue to exist and their existence can be directly attributed to the institution of slavery.
With that being said, a check from the government (you and I as taxpayers) is not going to undo history, is not going to change the minds of those who do not believe that blacks have suffered in this country, is not going to make it easier for the next generation and is not going to make this a better, more unified America. That will not happen until black folks and white folks can do something that I very rarely see here on these forums, try to walk in the other guy's shoes, try to see their point of view and try to understand. Instead, we tend to attack, refer to "them" or "they" and in doing so, drive the wedge even further.
Sometimes I wish that we would get invaded by another country and be forced to fight together for this country in this country. Maybe that's the only way we will ever look at each other as brothers and sisters instead of "us" and "them."
Slavery based solely on the color of a person's skin existed for a longer period of time in this country than it hasn't. The supremacist attitude birthed by this history has engrained itself in the minds and culture of many in this country. A lot of that has to do with human nature and our treatment of those who differ from us. In this country though, we took this to a level that legalized the proposition that SOME men were not equal and in fact were not men at all. This legalized system of subjugation was eventually replaced with legal segregation and has now been, in large measure, replaced with de facto segregation. This segregation and separatism has led to unequal educational opportunities, unequal access to capital, unequal access to justice and violent opposition to those black Americans who dared to raise their voices in opposition. Unfortunately, these conditions continue to exist and their existence can be directly attributed to the institution of slavery.
With that being said, a check from the government (you and I as taxpayers) is not going to undo history, is not going to change the minds of those who do not believe that blacks have suffered in this country, is not going to make it easier for the next generation and is not going to make this a better, more unified America. That will not happen until black folks and white folks can do something that I very rarely see here on these forums, try to walk in the other guy's shoes, try to see their point of view and try to understand. Instead, we tend to attack, refer to "them" or "they" and in doing so, drive the wedge even further.
Sometimes I wish that we would get invaded by another country and be forced to fight together for this country in this country. Maybe that's the only way we will ever look at each other as brothers and sisters instead of "us" and "them."