That's called taking advantage of a person when they are at their weakest.. He hangs out at the hospital waiting for the next sick person to come in that he can prey on. THAT's why the pastors and the ministers are so upset, they just had their most lucrative market taken away.. People in weakened physical and emotional state...Funky Brewster said:
Let me re-word what I meant..Tonio said:
I agree with you in principle. In practice, however, does your second scenario really happen? Do clergy members roam the hospital wards to talk to patients at random? Do they look at the patient lists so see which ones belong to other denominations, so they can target them for recruitment? I doubt that's the case, but I don't work at a hospital.itsbob said:
I woud say yes it does happen.. but it's probably hard to tell the difference between the two. I mean a minister or a priest isn't going to say that is what he is doing. In the Soprano's he's hit up by a pastor while recuperating in the hospital, and ALMOST takes the hook... can't remember which church he was supposed to be representing.. Seventh Day I think, and if i remember he piggy backed into his room, following a legitimate visitor.Tonio said:
kwillia said:
Privacy is not the same as secrecy. As in if President Bush goes to the Doctor then everybody is told about it, and if Britney Spears wants privacy then she can try to be secret but if some reporter finds out then they report the secret in the front page news. HIPAA only makes medical records private and going to the public Hospital is not a private act. 
Plus secrecy is not fully permitted in the privacy of our own homes because if a person does some wrong or crime in the privacy of their own home then if / when the law (or the landlord for lease laws) finds out the secret then the privacy gets busted big time. 
Checked your eyes lately?Funky Brewster said:
1st Corinthians2ndAmendment said:
JPC said:
Thus a patient can ask for secrecy and probably get secrecy within limits but for the Hospital trying to keep all the patients as secrets and especially to keep them secret from the religions clergies is a sure sign of wrong doing paranoia.
The Hospital is a private business at the same time as being a public institution so we can expect and ask for a higher standard.
My perspective only, of course.
. When I worked there, I made a computer-generated list every morning of every patient in the hospital, what room they were located in, and what thier religious preference was. The only clergy that came in daily were the catholic priests. All other religions would only come in if the patient requested. The priests would carry that list around and visit all the patients that were listed as Catholic, skipping over the protestant patients. When the LAW changed, I was to told I could no longer give them the list, because we were not in compliance with the LAW, and would be fined. Do the clergy still visit? Yes!! They no longer have the legal right to obtain the hospital's list of patients, but if you are a patient and have a good relationship with your clergy/priest or whatever you call yours, they still visit.
We are to share God's gift of salvation with everyone, but we are also to be compassionate. I think it is right to ask if you can pray with someone. It is always right to pray for someone. I think it is always wrong to say to someone, "You are going to hell because you don't come to my church or read a certain version of Bible." which is the way you come off. It is always right to call sin sin, but the follow up should be God has a plan to forgive sin.Funky Brewster said:
Catholics are heretics.harleygirl said:Let me explain how it works, Mr.
No they are not.Funky Brewster said:
Going to heaven because you are a good person, baptising babies, confessions to men and not GOD, Papal infallibility, and speaking ex-cathedra are all heresies. They are heretics and you know it, unless you are a Catlick to.2ndAmendment said:
Gee, what judgemental religion are you a part of??Funky Brewster said:
RoseRed said:
The Hospital listing is much like the phone book. Some people do get private unlisted numbers but hiding or withholding the Hospital list is not customary nor traditional. Now-a-days many people are paranoid (some rightly paranoid) but we surely do not want our societal Institutions to start acting paranoid and the Hospitals are a big American Institution. In the USA the Courts uphold the right to visitation. As in the door-to-door sales persons do have a right to sell door to door (visit). Telephone solicitors do have a right to phone call visits. Also do the police, the Electric company, Jehovah's Witnesses do have a right to visit. We can order them to leave but they can each come back and visit again.
In my view, there is no such thing as heresy because there is no such thing as "one true faith." I see all religious faith as personal. I think it's unethical when someone tells others that their religious beliefs are wrong, and I think it's especially unethical when that someone threatens others with eternal damnation in hell if they don't change their beliefs.Funky Brewster said:
All the priests do now JPC is pop their head into every room, and ask the patient if they would like a prayer said, regardless of religious preference. They are welcome and allowed access to everyone!!JPC said:
If a visit becomes harassment then it has to be reported and a Court Hearing and the one must give just cause or else the paranoia loses and the visits continue.
So if the Hospital is withholding the list of patient names not for Health reasons but just to stop visitations and particularly to stop religious clergy then it would appear that the Hospital is in the wrong.
I wonder what your views will be when you are in hell being licked by flames for eternity. I'm sure you're going to remember me when you're there.Tonio said:
