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[JPC, Sr.]

Faith Without Works is Dead.

How wrong you are. The littlest sin condemns you to hell.

For the wages of sin is death!

This post above is a full example of group mentality and orthodoxy.

For the wages of sin is death, is a Bible quote but saying that death means hell is an orthodox interpretation.

Plus death does not mean hell.

 

[Nickel]

This post above is a full example of group mentality and orthodoxy.

For the wages of sin is death, is a Bible quote but saying that death means hell is an orthodox interpretation.

Plus death does not mean hell.

Please go away and never come back. You are an idiot, you make my head hurt, and everybody hates you. Good day, sir.

 

[MMDad]

Please go away and never come back. You are an idiot, you make my head hurt, and everybody hates you. Good day, sir.

Don't hold back. Say what you mean!

 

[Funky Brewster]

This post above is a full example of group mentality and orthodoxy.

For the wages of sin is death, is a Bible quote but saying that death means hell is an orthodox interpretation.

Plus death does not mean hell.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

Faith Without Works is Dead.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Again it says "DEATH" and that means death not burning alive in fire. Death.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

A second DEATH like one death is not sufficient. So the sinner is said to die. Not burn in fire alive for all eternity.

Death is not hell. Fear of dying and believing in a vengeful God is what orthodoxy has handed down to us.

The Gospel message is that Christ paid the price for all sins for all sinners. While we were yet sinners he died for us. No hell, just forgiveness. Unconditional love. Everybody gets saved because Christ made so all the dead would be resurected from death to eternal life. Peace.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

For those that have a hard time comprehending what they read like JPC, Sr., see the bold parts.

The Bible is not orthodoxy. It is the word of God.

 

[2ndAmendment]

For those that want the Truth about salvation, remember, you must repent and accept Jesus as Savior and Lord. That means doing it God's way.

Matthew 7:13-14

13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Take this to heart. JPC, Sr. is a liar. He knows nothing about the Bible except his own twisted beliefs. What JPC, Sr. posts is false. Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23

21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Not everyone is saved. It is true that Jesus died and lives for all, but we must accept Him and His way. Those that accept Him and do His will are saved. Those that do not follow His way will reap the lake of fire.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

Faith Without Works is Dead.

... ... Again, you are wrong. The scripture plainly states to subject yourself to those in authority. You choose not to do that in secular and spiritual life. You are a rebellious person refusing to subject yourself to any authority. ... ... This goes along with your refusal to pay child support. You rebel against authority. You are wrong. You are supposed to submit to those in authority. ... ...

It was the apostle Paul that said to submit to all authority but many people fail to understand that Christ wore a crown of thorns in defiance of the governing authorities. So submit can mean carrying the gov's cross.

Also the apostle Paul said that his "meat" was to learn the word of God (and true all persons need to do that) but for Christ He said that His "meat" was to do the will of the Father God. So Paul said to learn it and Christ said to do it.

So where it comes to governments and governing authorities, if we follow the apostle Paul perfectly we still would not make it to Christ level, and if one does correctly as Christ said then we will make it to the Father God. A step by step process.

Thus submitting to all human authorities does not mean to obey and submit with evil gov laws, nor with gov tyrants. Resistance to tyranny is obediance to God.

 

[2ndAmendment]

It was the apostle Paul that said to submit to all authority but many people fail to understand that Christ wore a crown of thorns in defiance of the governing authorities. So submit can mean carrying the gov's cross.

Also the apostle Paul said that his "meat" was to learn the word of God (and true all persons need to do that) but for Christ He said that His "meat" was to do the will of the Father God. So Paul said to learn it and Christ said to do it.

So where it comes to governments and governing authorities, if we follow the apostle Paul perfectly we still would not make it to Christ level, and if one does correctly as Christ said then we will make it to the Father God. A step by step process.

Thus submitting to all human authorities does not mean to obey and submit with evil gov laws, nor with gov tyrants. Resistance to tyranny is obediance to God.

You are proving just how little you know of the Bible. I posted the scripture that says to submit to authority. It was Peter, not Paul. Not only that, Jesus said it Himself.

Mark 12:17 And Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him.

But you won't understand. Nothing that does not fit your definition is wrong whether it is the law of man or the Word of God. You don't like it, so you make up your own stuff as you go along.

You have no idea of what you are talking about when it comes to the Bible. You babel. Your lack of understanding is amazing.

The only reason I am posting to refute your babbling is for others. You are a spiritual "Gentile and a Tax collector" (Matthew 18:15-17) to me.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

Faith Without Works is Dead.

You are proving just how little you know of the Bible. I posted the scripture that says to submit to authority. It was Peter, not Paul. Not only that, Jesus said it Himself. "Render unto Caersar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's."

After I posted that I thought it might have been Peter who said it and not Paul but it was still close as both were apostles and both names start with "P". So Peter said to submit to all authority but Peter also said to a Court Judge that they must "obey God rather then men" and Peter left the Court and proceeded to brake the Court Judge's orders. The Judge could have been a King but it too is close enough, the message is the same, that we must not follow crooked laws or obey a Judge that is wrong.

But you won't understand. Nothing that does not fit your definition is wrong whether it is the law of man or the Word of God. You don't like it, so you make up your own stuff as you go along.

The truth of the Bible is that God wants people to think and to reason for ourselves based on the principles and commandments. So it looks like I am making up my own stuff but my own stuff is based on the scripture so it works.

You have no idea of what you are talking about when it comes to the Bible. You babel. Your lack of understanding is amazing.

Try to be tolerant of others and see that there are more ways to God then orthodoxy.

The only reason I am posting to refute your babbling is for others. You are a spiritual "Gentile and a Tax collector" (Matthew 18:15-17) to me.

If we compare the "tax collectors" of old times then they are equivolent to the modern day police. When some one broke the Roman laws then they were given a fine or tax and the law was inforced by tax collectors that had the power of police. FYI.

 

[itsbob]

After I posted that I thought it might have been Peter who said it and not Paul but it was still close as both were apostles and both names start with "P". So Peter said to submit to all authority but Peter also said to a Court Judge that they must "obey God rather then men" and Peter left the Court and proceeded to brake the Court Judge's orders. The Judge could have been a King but it too is close enough, the message is the same, that we must not follow crooked laws or obey a Judge that is wrong. The truth of the Bible is that God wants people to think and to reason for ourselves based on the principles and commandments. So it looks like I am making up my own stuff but my own stuff is based on the scripture so it works. Try to be tolerant of others and see that there are more ways to God then orthodoxy. If we compare the "tax collectors" of old times then they are equivolent to the modern day police. When some one broke the Roman laws then they were given a fine or tax and the law was inforced by tax collectors that had the power of police. FYI.

You're an idiot..




That is all.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

Faith Without Works is Dead.

You're an idiot..

That is all.

Well I certainly do hope that the poster did not use up his entire vocabulary on this post above.

Here is the way I understand the process,

I am rubber and you are glue,
it bounces off me and sticks to ....

..... ..... .....

 

[2ndAmendment]

After I posted that I thought it might have been Peter who said it and not Paul but it was still close as both were apostles and both names start with "P". So Peter said to submit to all authority but Peter also said to a Court Judge that they must "obey God rather then men" and Peter left the Court and proceeded to brake the Court Judge's orders. The Judge could have been a King but it too is close enough, the message is the same, that we must not follow crooked laws or obey a Judge that is wrong.

Again, you interpret wrongly. It is only right for Christians to disobey the laws of man that violate the laws or commandments of God. If man has a law that a person must honor some king as god, a Christian is to disobey that law. If man has a law that you must pay child support, Christians must obey that law.

The truth of the Bible is that God wants people to think and to reason for ourselves based on the principles and commandments. So it looks like I am making up my own stuff but my own stuff is based on the scripture so it works.

God wants us to seek His wisdom by reading His word and following it. He does not want us to pick and choose what we agree with and don't agree with in His word and do our own thing. So your way is false as you express it in your posts.

Try to be tolerant of others and see that there are more ways to God then orthodoxy.

I am tolerant of others. I may not agree with them and I will state what the Bible has to say on a subject. I believe the Bible is the word of God; inerrant and authoritative. I don't care if people are Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, some other denomination, or non denominational. They can even be agnostic or atheist.

What I do care about are all who seek to know or have a closer relationship with God and those that are open to learn what the Bible says even if they don't believe. Because I care, I will not tolerate your babel of falsehoods that could possibly lead someone into some false belief modeled after your delusional perception of the Bible.

If we compare the "tax collectors" of old times then they are equivolent to the modern day police. When some one broke the Roman laws then they were given a fine or tax and the law was inforced by tax collectors that had the power of police. FYI.

Again, you are wrong. The "police" of the time came from two sources; the Roman guard and the temple guard of the Jews. Of the two, the Roman guard had the greater authority during the Roman occupation of Israel.

The passage I was quoting refers to the way Jesus' Jewish followers, to whom He was preaching, should treat those that claimed to follow Him but preached something or practiced something that was contrary to His teaching. Jesus told them to tell them what they were doing was wrong in private. In your case, that has been done. If the person did not change, warn him with the testimony of two or three. In your case, that has been done. If the person did not change, tell it to the church and all the church is to treat the person as a Gentile or tax collector. In your case, that is coming, but in the meantime, I have chosen to treat you as a Gentile or tax collector on an individual level.

Gentiles and tax collectors were the lowest form of life to Jews during the time Jesus was walking this earth. So when the church or a Christian chooses to regard you as a Gentile or a tax collector, you have become the lowest of the low to them and are not to be regarded as a Christian brother or sister.

If you change and admit what you have taught is false, then you will be accepted as a Christian brother again.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

Faith Without Works is Dead.

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If you change and admit what you have taught is false, then you will be accepted as a Christian brother again.

Well I only admit that everything I have posted is true and correct to the best of my knowlege, understanding and belief. I always write what I mean and I mean what I write.

We just have different beliefs and different interpritations of scriptures.

I surely do accept you as a Christian brother regardless of how you consider me.