Smokers Unite!

[PJay]

Do you really want to know my farting habits

Please no. The word alone makes me cringe.

 

[vraiblonde]

And what about those folks (like my dad) that are suffering from bad health or folks that have to have oxygen? Do you think this passive crossing of smoke would have any affect on them? Should they have to stay at home so smokers can have their way?You have to be kidding me!

People are sensitive to all sorts of things - perfume, pollen, animal hair and yes, even the dreaded peanut.

So where does it stop?

If you are deathly allergic to dogs, does that mean I can no longer walk my dog in the park or even down the street because you might get sick?

If you are allergic to perfume, does that mean that they should ban scented fabric softeners so that you will never be caught in an elevator with someone's Downy?

At what point are people responsible for their own problems, instead of making them everyone *else's* problem?

 

[Azzy]

People are sensitive to all sorts of things - perfume, pollen, animal hair and yes, even the dreaded peanut.

So where does it stop?

If you are deathly allergic to dogs, does that mean I can no longer walk my dog in the park or even down the street because you might get sick?

If you are allergic to perfume, does that mean that they should ban scented fabric softeners so that you will never be caught in an elevator with someone's Downy?

At what point are people responsible for their own problems, instead of making them everyone *else's* problem?

Alot of perfumes give me a bad headache, make me feel nauscious, and dizzy. Therefore, I rarely wear perfume, cept one or two kinds that don't make me sick. I don't go around demanding that people stop wearing theirs because it's making me sick and I drama have the right to breathe perfume-free air.

 

[BS Gal]

Do you really want to know my farting habits (which I might remind you is a natural phenomenon, unlike smoking)?

Yes.

 

[MMDad]

And you think because you get a headache, EVERYONE gets a headache

It amazes me that somebody can use an example of second hand smoke being a problem as they walk out of Target, then trying to blame the smoke for Asthma as if there weren't a hundred other irritants involved there. Suppose there were no second hand smoke, but you still had an attack. What do you blame it on now?

As you walk from your car, you smell normal exhaust, diesel exhaust, exhaust from poorly running cars, exhaust from cars that burn oil. As you enter, you get a good strong whiff of the chemicals they clean the floors and carpets with. Walk by the snackbar and sniff some burned popcorn. Go to the clothing aisle and smell the chemicals in the new clothes, and the strong leather with the belts. As you continue around the store your senses get bombarded with cleaning supplies, perfumes, lotions, food smells (OMG they have peanuts!), etc. etc. etc.

I can't wait until spring when you get to chew the pollen, but there will still be people saying their yellow snot is not pollen allergies, it's got to be second hand smoke.

I can't believe people get so worked up over the inconvenience of catching a small whiff of smoke. People need to get a life.

 

[vraiblonde]

I can't believe people get so worked up over the inconvenience of catching a small whiff of smoke. People need to get a life.

Larry (that darling birthday boy) says it's the sign of a successful civilization. We no longer spend our time washing clothes by hand, hunting down dinner, making lye soap in a tub, or splitting logs to build our house, so we have a lot of free time to sit around and think of things to be aggravated by.

 

[PsyOps]

Yes.

Aww... how sweet.

 

[PsyOps]

And you think because you get a headache, EVERYONE gets a headache

No, I don't think that at all.

 

[Pandora]

Larry (that darling birthday boy) says it's the sign of a successful civilization. We no longer spend our time washing clothes by hand, hunting down dinner, making lye soap in a tub, or splitting logs to build our house, so we have a lot of free time to sit around and think of things to be aggravated by.

That I do believe, in fact, it was mentioned in that book I posted about yesterday.

That is why so many people are full of rage today! :shrug:

 

[Toxick]

Well, there you have it, because Toxic has lungs of steel and sinuses that can block a forest fire in a single sniff, EVERYONE must feel this way.

That's my point - I DON'T have lungs of steel and I DON'T have sinuses that can block a forest fire.

My constitution is no better than fair to average.


I was trying to say that I have my doubts that there are that many people who are on the verge of phyiscal collapse that a puff of smoke is going to drop them.

Because Toxic has never gotten a headache from it no one else possibly could have.

Yeah.

That's what I said.

I have no desire to tell anyone what to do in their own establishments, in their cars, in their homes, anywhere.

So you don't support the smoking bans currently under discussion.


Then WTF are we arguing about?

And yes I would like to go wherever I want without having to breath someone’s smoke in my lungs. I don’t want their smoke in my lungs. If I wanted that I would smoke. My lungs don’t have smoke in them for a reason. Because I choose not to smoke. I don’t think it’s anyone’s right to make

I think you've discovered the written equivalent of Charlie Brown's teacher/adults sound effects.

And you haven’t paid one bit of attention to what I’ve said. I already said I go out of my way to avoid someone’s smoke. But I don’t think it’s too much to ask smokers to bear some of that burden

I've paid a great deal of attention to what you've said.

I was paying attention and I noticed when you switched gears from "It is my God-Given right to not come into contact with smoke" to "All I'm asking for is an equal amount of courtesy that I give them"

It’s my opinion that they behave discourteously when they smoke near entrances to public places

Then I have two answers

1) Complain to the establishments who put the ashtrays at the front door. If you put a giant ashtray in front of your door, and ask the smokers to stay outside - who's responsible for all the smokers smoking at the door? Because that's where I see all the ashtrays.

2) You can't legislate courtesy. Unless you want to live in some sort of dystopoic shiny-happyland.



As for flipping butts out the window, I have to wonder why they don't use their ashtrays. Every car that I've ever been in has them - why not use them? Seeing a cigarette butt flying at me is kind of irritating and distracting while I'm driving - although I've never actually had one hit my car.

But I can't disagree with that complaint. It's kind of ignorant to shoot your burning death sticks at people.


And how long does it take for a cigarette butt to decompose? I'm guessing they're not biodegradable.

I only ask they be more cognizant of these things. But, as I stated before… I know that’s never going to happen.

Of course not. They're ignoramouses, all of them.

 

[PsyOps]

People are sensitive to all sorts of things - perfume, pollen, animal hair and yes, even the dreaded peanut.

So where does it stop?

If you are deathly allergic to dogs, does that mean I can no longer walk my dog in the park or even down the street because you might get sick?

If you are allergic to perfume, does that mean that they should ban scented fabric softeners so that you will never be caught in an elevator with someone's Downy?

At what point are people responsible for their own problems, instead of making them everyone *else's* problem?

Well, I certainly haven't seen anyone taking hands-full of pollen or animal hair and blowing it in peoples' faces, nor have I seen anyone shoving peanut down anyone's throat as they enter and exit WalMart.

If you are walking your dog and I am allergic I will avoid you. If you approach me I will tell you I'm allergic. A dog sitting at the entrance to WalMart will have no affect on me. Your smoke will. My wife is sensitive to the perfumes in laundry soap and fabric softener so we buy the unscented stuff. No need to ban it. That's the just plain silly.

You are responsible for your smoking problem. Don't make me responsible too.

 

[ylexot]

You are responsible for your smoking problem. Don't make me responsible too.

But you are responsible for your physical abnormality. :shrug:

 

[PsyOps]

That's my point - I DON'T have lungs of steel and I DON'T have sinuses that can block a forest fire.

My constitution is no better than fair to average.


I was trying to say that I have my doubts that there are that many people who are on the verge of phyiscal collapse that a puff of smoke is going to drop them.

If there is just one person that is in poor health walking into WalMart that person shouldn't have to put up with that one person that thinks it’s okay to smoke there. That one person’s health should take precedence, I don’t care what rationale you try to staple in this.

So you don't support the smoking bans currently under discussion.


Then WTF are we arguing about?

There is no ban that will change a thing. I hate laws that have no meaning except to makes folks feel good.

I was paying attention and I noticed when you switched gears from "It is my God-Given right to not come into contact with smoke" to "All I'm asking for is an equal amount of courtesy that I give them"

I never said it’s my God-given right to not come in contact with smoke. What I did say is it’s no more a smoker’s right to clog up my air than it is for me to demand otherwise. What I also said was our air is typically and naturally without this smoke. Given that I believe COMMON COURTESY should take precedence. Yeah.

You can't legislate courtesy. Unless you want to live in some sort of dystopoic shiny-happyland.

I have no desire to legislate anything. I am trying to make the point that folks have no courtesy. I am trying to exploit that point. That is all.

Of course not. They're ignoramouses, all of them.

Now who’s switching gears?

I think I am done with this one.

 

[vraiblonde]

If there is just one person that is in poor health walking into WalMart that person shouldn't have to put up with that one person that thinks it’s okay to smoke there. That one person’s health should take precedence, I don’t care what rationale you try to staple in this.

You're being ridiculous and unreasonable.

I asked the question about dogs, perfume, peanuts, etc and you conveniently sidestepped it. There are, in fact, people who are deathly allergic to animals and cannot be around animal hair in any capacity whatsoever.

So do we ban dogs from all public places so this person can roam wherever they please without worrying about death by doggie?

 

[itsbob]

So do we ban dogs from all public places so this person can roam wherever they please without worrying about death by doggie?

Don't we?? The same way we ban peanuts on airplanes.. etc..

 

[Toxick]

I never said it’s my God-given right to not come in contact with smoke.

Actually - you did.


I can look up the quote if you want me to.

It is, in fact, that very sentiment that drew me into this discussion with you in the first place.

What I did say is it’s no more a smoker’s right to clog up my air than it is for me to demand otherwise. What I also said was our air is typically and naturally without this smoke. Given that I believe COMMON COURTESY should take precedence. Yeah.

Which - when you strip away the bull#### and rhetoric - amounts to "You have a right to not come into contact with smoke."

Now who’s switching gears?

Nobody - Your sarcast-o-meter is busted.

I think I am done with this one.

Yeah. you got me.

 

[Larry Gude]

Don't look at me...

Here's the information:


http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/sgr/index.htm

Now if you choose to believe it or not... Well that's up to you.

...I know smoking is, in general terms, horrible for you. I use chemicals in my business and one of the absolute best insect killers we've ever had is nicotine. It is also very safe, for humans, to use. And that brings up anther viewpoint;

200ppm (parts per million) of nitrogen in a water soluble form is great for most plants. 400 ppm will burn some roots leading to plant weakness and death. 600 ppm will burn and distort some foliage on contact.

Same thing for the dreaded carbon dioxide. It is recommended to supplement upwards of 1,000 ppm co2 inside greenhouses to make plants grow better. Our global environment used to have 275 ppm. We know have about 350. 2,000 is known to be toxic to most plants.

Too much water will kill you. Pure oxygen can kill you.

So, back to evil tobacco. Many people who quit smoking get sick frequently as their body's immune system got used to the nicotine killing off many run of the mill bugs; cold germs, virus's. Quitters often find themselves more bothered by pets, pollen and the like, at least for a time until their bodies adjust.

Bugs make us strong and healthy. More accurately, fighting bugs makes us healthy and strong. Some times the bugs win. Some tobacco may be good for you in some regards, just as some alcohol may be fine or even beneficial.

What is the health benefit to the relaxation a smoker gets from lighting up? We can argue it is better to learn to relax without smoking and that is a reasonable argument in and of itself but, that in no way makes it a blanket fact that all people are always better off without smoking.

Smoking helps some people slow down and think more clearly. There is value in that. It is not reasonable to just throw that out with the bathwater. Different things affect different people....differently.

In any event, the sunset of smoking is at hand in the US and the thing that should concern everyone is that this has not come about by honesty and science; it has come about by herd mentality and that means it can happen to any issue. THAT is where the real danger lies

 

[PsyOps]

Actually - you did.


I can look up the quote if you want me to.

It is, in fact, that very sentiment that drew me into this discussion with you in the first place.






Which - when you strip away the bull#### and rhetoric - amounts to "You have a right to not come into contact with smoke."





Nobody - Your sarcast-o-meter is busted.




Yeah. you got me.

Can I buy you a beer and a smoke?

 

[itsbob]

So, back to evil tobacco. Many people who quit smoking get sick frequently as their body's immune system got used to the nicotine killing off many run of the mill bugs; cold germs, virus's. Quitters often find themselves more bothered by pets, pollen and the like, at least for a time until their bodies adjust.

I don't know where you got this voodoo science from, but nicotine doesn't attack germs and viruses, it attacks and retards the immune system making germs and viruses more effective against us.

People that quit generally speak of getting sick less often, getting less colds in the winter, not getting the flu or not getting as sick is they do get it. etc..

Smell is more sensitive, you can taste your food again, you can tell good tasting water, from over chlorinated water.. AND maybe you can smell the cats litter box, or that you even have a dog in the house.

Smoking is not good for you in any way shape or form, but if this is what you have to tell youself to sleep at night it's cool. That's probably a lot easier then quitting.

 

[mAlice]

but if this is what you have to tell youself to sleep at night it's cool. That's probably a lot easier then quitting.

I don't think Larry smokes.