So now what for Trump?

[Pineypoint]

I love Scott, he’s going to be an excellent leader!

 

[vraiblonde]

That's where I'm at, too.

When I first got word of this last night I was for freaking real? WTH is wrong with him?!

Then, I thought of Margaret Thatcher saying "don't go all wobbly" and I stopped. There has to be a reason he's doing this.

The thing is this:

Trump is right - they do owe him. He blazed that trail for them to tell the Democrats AND the media to **** off, and stick it to them but good. They were all terrified that one wrong word and the fake news media would go after them hard. So they kissed ass, went on the shows, tried to make nice, wah wah wah, and it got them nowhere.

Then Trump came along and started a revolution, and they're all just riding the wave. DeSantis didn't build that and neither did Youngkin - Trump built that and they need to say thank you. So if they're being ungrateful little chits, Trump has a right to be pissed about it.

There's a part of me that thinks that's what it is - they're being ungrateful and Trump is reminding them that he had the courage to buck the system, not them, and they do owe him.

But there's another part of me that thinks it's an act. Trump knows he's radioactive and is trying to distance himself to help the up and comers get traction. But, as has already been pointed out, almost 80% of his endorsed candidates won. So there's that.

 

[Bann]

The thing is this:

Trump is right - they do owe him. He blazed that trail for them to tell the Democrats AND the media to **** off, and stick it to them but good. They were all terrified that one wrong word and the fake news media would go after them hard. So they kissed ass, went on the shows, tried to make nice, wah wah wah, and it got them nowhere.

Then Trump came along and started a revolution, and they're all just riding the wave. DeSantis didn't build that and neither did Youngkin - Trump built that and they need to say thank you. So if they're being ungrateful little chits, Trump has a right to be pissed about it.

There's a part of me that thinks that's what it is - they're being ungrateful and Trump is reminding them that he had the courage to buck the system, not them, and they do owe him.

But there's another part of me that thinks it's an act. Trump knows he's radioactive and is trying to distance himself to help the up and comers get traction. But, as has already been pointed out, almost 80% of his endorsed candidates won. So there's that.

I don't disagree with this either!

 

[Pineypoint]

But there's another part of me that thinks it's an act. Trump knows he's radioactive and is trying to distance himself to help the up and comers get traction. But, as has already been pointed out, almost 80% of his endorsed candidates won. So there's that.

No, fully disagree.

The party was in a full disarray in 2016, Jeb literally had a path!

He came in and knew the horrid path Obama put us on, and a Hillary term would be disastrous. He saw how JV the team was on the republican side was and cleaned house…did you watch the debates? Is that a “radioactive” man?

All leadership coalesced behind him each cycle, they will do it again.

He will make a republican debate must watch tv and clean the floor with any competition.

You remember how crowded this field was? He was a flamethrower, Desantis isn’t any of these.

 

[22AcaciaAve]

Let me point out that ALL Republicans who get some attention are to Democrats like Hillary Clinton is to Republicans. Perhaps you don't remember the Bush years, but I do. Ronald Reagan - I remember that as well. There hasn't been a Republican President in my lifetime that wasn't absolutely eviscerated by the Democrats and their media mouthpieces.

They've been raking the living chit out of Ron DeSantis in anticipation of him running. If he does run for President it will make the way they went after Trump look like a love affair.

Any Republican who shows promise gets attacked. Especially if they aren't part of the gang. Even more especially if traditional Democrat pets - racial minorities, women, gays - are giving them a second look.

If you think there's some magical Republican who can make the vicious filthy corrupt sociopath Democrats play nice....I don't even know what to say about that.



Abortion hasn't been banned. It's been kicked back to the states where it belongs, per our US Constitution.

Let me repeat that:

ABORTION HASN'T BEEN BANNED.

Lay off the MSNBC and you'd be better informed.



That new blood was Trump. So apparently you don't want new blood, you want a Democrat because that's the only person the Democrats and the media will be nice to.



Ahem. Trump did win. Then folks like you decided that since the Democrats hated him, you hated him too. And I have no doubt the exact same thing will happen with DeSantis. The Democrats will tell you to hate him, and you will obey.

When Trump took office the Republicans had the House AND the Senate....and those pieces of sh*t did nothing but try and derail him for two years before they were finally kicked out (or in the case of McCain, died and went to Hell).

At what point do you intend to get over Trump? Ever? He hasn't been President for two years, and he wasn't on any ballot yesterday. And yet here you are with the TDS.

Let me point out that ALL Republicans who get some attention are to Democrats like Hillary Clinton is to Republicans. Perhaps you don't remember the Bush years, but I do. Ronald Reagan - I remember that as well. There hasn't been a Republican President in my lifetime that wasn't absolutely eviscerated by the Democrats and their media mouthpieces.

No doubt. So what. I could care less about the media. I'm talking about the people who vote. And whether you want to acknowledge it or not, independents control national elections. Despite all of the republicans in your lifetime being eviscerated by the democrats, quite a few have won. But none of them had the baggage that Trump brings. Good luck with that.

Let me repeat that:

ABORTION HASN'T BEEN BANNED.

I didn't say it was banned nationally. I said "bans" as in state by state. Try to keep up. I really don't give much of a crap about abortion. I don't like it and it would be handled within my family without getting that far, period. But my point was when red states rushed to shut it down totally, it brought out people on the other side of the fight. My point was maybe strike a middle ground about it and move on. And besides which, do you really want to keep paying taxes to help inner city babies that keep being born whether you like abortion or not? I don't. The fact is that abortions will be cheaper than more children being born into poverty so I'm good with that. I'm tired of my taxes going to prop up people who can't support the babies they have!

That new blood was Trump. So apparently you don't want new blood, you want a Democrat because that's the only person the Democrats and the media will be nice to.

That's funny. Key word is "WAS". Yes, Trump was new blood. So because I did not want Trump, who is no longer new blood, I am a democrat? Seriously, think about that. And think about what you said. Of course the only person democrats will be nice to is a democrat.

At what point do you intend to get over Trump? Ever? He hasn't been President for two years, and he wasn't on any ballot yesterday. And yet here you are with the TDS.

That's funny too. Get over Trump, I voted for him against Biden. Because I knew that Biden would not stand up against the progressive agenda in his party. I think the better question is when will you and the rest of the Trump cult get over him? He's not the future. I want to win and push the progressive agenda down. Hard to do that when people like you and some others have such a crush on one man. Why would you not support someone like DeSantis who pushes the same agenda and has a much better chance of winning?

 

[22AcaciaAve]

What policies do you think the party can enact to entice voters to vote for them?

At the end of the day that is the most important thing and that is what is not connecting with voters. The party platform in 2020 was "whatever Trump wants". The rest of the time all i hear from Republicans is making Dems out to be evil groomer pedophiles. I don't see a lot of new ideas or anything that drives younger people to get out and vote. A party that wants to turn back the clock on peoples civil rights and personal freedoms and has spent years trying to take away their health care and has floated doing away with social security is going to have a hard time appealing to a broad spectrum of the public. What policies would you enact? A 15 week abortion allowance is going to divide the party even more between the crazy evangelicals who want a total ban and the more reasonable parts of the party. Ding anything to alienate the evangelicals is a no go as they are one of the largest voting blocks who reliably turn up anymore.

So what policies do you think democrats try to enact other than giving free money to everyone they feel will vote for them?

Maybe republicans can enact a border policy. Anything they do will be better than what the current administration has done. Border control would be the first thing I would start on. Then I would try to reign in the spending coming out of the democrats. Hello, the taxpayers are the ones paying for that.

How exactly is the republican party turning back the clock on civil rights? Are you talking about the voting restrictions in Georgia? The same ones that led to a record turnout in Georgia? Ok.

As for Social Security and Medicare, yeah it needs to be fixed. Mostly because both democrat and republican congresses raided it and haven't restored it. Both parties need to own up to that.

You're a partisan just like many others here on both sides. You're also a reincarnation of a banned name. It's not that hard to figure out patterns and writing styles. You must go too far and get banned for your rhetoric and then have to rise from the internet dead. You will be gone again, and then resurface as another clever name. Good luck, look forward to seeing you once again with a totally different name!

 

[SamSpade]

He's not the future. I want to win and push the progressive agenda down. Hard to do that when people like you and some others have such a crush on one man. Why would you not support someone like DeSantis who pushes the same agenda and has a much better chance of winning?

I don't know that he does. But the problem about ANY movement surviving is that if it cannot raise new leadership to pick up the mantle of its founders, the movement dies, because it's the work of just a few - or even ONE - man.

My Dad used to say that the first job of any leader is to find his replacement - because he can't lead indefinitely (and in my Dad's specific case - it wasn't DESIRABLE).

MOVEMENTS are run by ideas, supported by people with similar goals. Whatever else you thought of them, you want to know why Ron Paul or Ross Perot's groups petered out? Because it was one guy.

Maybe you want Trump to run in 2024. I kind of do, if only for the fact that it sort of vindicates him. But by 2028 - his movement ENDS, for good, unless SOMEONE ELSE takes it on.

I don't want to call followers of Trump a "cult" - for one thing, it's not a cult, most Trump followers like him but live their lives without anything to do with him. For another - I was IN A CULT, and while it had its own dissension, the entire group survived only as long as either the person at the top was in charge - or still alive. Almost all of the ones that were active when I was a young man are a pale shadow of their former selves. The Way International - the Church of Bible Understanding - Eckankar - the Moonies - even Scientology - they've shrunk substantially. My old cult - it's dying off too. Why? The original leadership has died. The fervor of the original leaders - has left.

They DID NOT RAISE A NEW TIER of leaders.

Trump has to do this.

 

[Kinnakeet]

wow. Three ...that's almost as many as George Washington had behind him.

tHEY WERE FORCED INTO PLEADING GUILTY

 

[vraiblonde]

They DID NOT RAISE A NEW TIER of leaders.

Trump has to do this.

It appears he's trying to but anyone he endorses gets raked like a dog by the media - and not only them, but their families, their children, their third grade teacher. Not too many folks have Trump's courage and intestinal fortitude. MTG does, and so does Lauren Boebert. DeSantis seems to have the schmoke as well.

But there are an awful lot of folks that seemed to be onboard, then they got elected (because of Trump) and became institutionalized. They aligned with slimy Kevin McCarthy and Lindsey Graham instead of sticking with the program. You're not going to see Dan Crenshaw at a Trump rally because he wants to go on The View and nob with Whoopie and Joy.

I've been saying that for several years now - the whiners aren't going to find someone "like Trump but without the (whatever)" because there is no one like Trump and that (whatever) is what makes him unique and effective. The goopbots are all like, "I just want Trump to stop calling anti-American shitbags names; I want him to be beloved by the scum in the Marxist news media; I want him to stop provoking and angering the globalist overlords who are trying to destroy our country." They don't have the courage to stay the course, and they find Trump's courage distasteful. They also want pretty speeches crafted by professionals and delivered by a skilled orator bald truth isn't something they're familiar or comfortable with.

So here we are.

 

[Bann]

I don't know that he does. But the problem about ANY movement surviving is that if it cannot raise new leadership to pick up the mantle of its founders, the movement dies, because it's the work of just a few - or even ONE - man.

My Dad used to say that the first job of any leader is to find his replacement - because he can't lead indefinitely (and in my Dad's specific case - it wasn't DESIRABLE).

MOVEMENTS are run by ideas, supported by people with similar goals. Whatever else you thought of them, you want to know why Ron Paul or Ross Perot's groups petered out? Because it was one guy.

Maybe you want Trump to run in 2024. I kind of do, if only for the fact that it sort of vindicates him. But by 2028 - his movement ENDS, for good, unless SOMEONE ELSE takes it on.

I don't want to call followers of Trump a "cult" - for one thing, it's not a cult, most Trump followers like him but live their lives without anything to do with him. For another - I was IN A CULT, and while it had its own dissension, the entire group survived only as long as either the person at the top was in charge - or still alive. Almost all of the ones that were active when I was a young man are a pale shadow of their former selves. The Way International - the Church of Bible Understanding - Eckankar - the Moonies - even Scientology - they've shrunk substantially. My old cult - it's dying off too. Why? The original leadership has died. The fervor of the original leaders - has left.

They DID NOT RAISE A NEW TIER of leaders.

Trump has to do this.

I just watched THE MOST fabulous piece on this "spat" brewing in the GOP by Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis and Glenn Younkin by Tammy Bruce. She has described this the BEST WAY I've heard yet.

I can't even do it justice to explain it, because I'm still digesting it - but basically, IT'S (the "big fight") NEEDED. This is the pre-game to the upcoming Primary Season and she reminded that in the 2016 election there were a TON of candidates (12?!) who duked it out and only the strong survived, so to speak. She said the majority of the Republicans in this country (for the most part - don't quote me totals and % of the population who don't agree, we know they're out there) WANT DONALD TRUMP and his STYLE because he got things done, the COUNTRY WAS BETTER OFF FOR IT AND THEY KNOW IT... but anyway - she said this is a GOOD thing and it will be BETTER in the long run - it's not "bad".

I definitely agree with her, because we ALREADY SEE those RINO Republicans backing away from TRUMP and calling him names,blaming the "lack of red wave" on him, etc.

He is saavy enough to know this ---and he's calling the rats out from the corners of the party to come out and play so we all know who they are.

I'll have to see if there is a written piece to link to - but she was on the Saturday Fox & Friends show with Will Cain. She'll probably make the Talk Show rounds this weekend.

 

[Kyle]

You're not going to see Dan Crenshaw at a Trump rally because he wants to go on The View and nob with Whoopie and Joy.

That’s been one of the biggest disappointment of the last few years.

he really turned fast.

 

[vraiblonde]

Why would you not support someone like DeSantis who pushes the same agenda and has a much better chance of winning?

Does he? You don't know any of that because DeSantis hasn't been tested yet on a national level. Right now he's the Golden Boy, but if he throws his hat in the ring that will change.

Also it doesn't have to be one or the other. I can support both Trump AND DeSantis. The TV is insisting I have to choose, which is why you think I have to choose, but I don't. I can like both of them and won't even have to make a choice in a primary because I'm not party affiliated and don't vote in primaries. It appears you're getting sucked into a media narrative that I refuse to entertain.

I could care less about the media. I'm talking about the people who vote. And whether you want to acknowledge it or not, independents control national elections.

The media controls the voters, including the "independents". So you better care about them and how they're brainwashing the masses.

But none of them had the baggage that Trump brings.

Exactly what baggage are you referring to? Be precise with specific examples.

 

[TPD]

Why would you not support someone like DeSantis who pushes the same agenda and has a much better chance of winning?

How quickly we all forget. DeSantis issued lockdowns and curfews in his state because he caved to the democrats demands for it. Remember the roadside checkpoints he did to stop people from out of state entering Florida?

Florida's DeSantis issues statewide stay-at-home order to curb coronavirus

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, is facing mounting pressure from Congress to issue a statewide stay-at-home order to curb the rate of infection during the global coronavirus pandemic.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Bann]

This is NOT the link I was looking for -she was just on the the earlier segment of the Fox & Friends show this morning, but it's a piece she posted yesterday 11/11/22 - and it's also very good insight.

I share her views in the last paragraph - I said the same thing a couple of days ago.

As far as that zero-sum argument out there that DeSantis is the new, better Trump and both cannot exist on the same planet at the same time– that’s nonsense. Both men represent the power and promise of a better and safer America. Our path forward involves all our talent, which includes both of them. A Trump/DeSantis ticket for 2024 term would be unbeatable. DeSantis can then handle 2028 and 2032. Undoing generations of Democratic Party vandalism to this country will take several cycles, a generation. It’s going to take discipline, patience, focus, and all our America First talent working together to overcome the corruption and malevolence of a cancerous bureaucratic establishment.

https://amac.us/dont-believe-the-sp...G4TNev5-30IVbCEsOcFgVJnRur3fGG4Gqwamh6gSyAohY

 

[Bann]

Does he? You don't know any of that because DeSantis hasn't been tested yet on a national level. Right now he's the Golden Boy, but if he throws his hat in the ring that will change.

Also it doesn't have to be one or the other. I can support both Trump AND DeSantis. The TV is insisting I have to choose, which is why you think I have to choose, but I don't. I can like both of them and won't even have to make a choice in a primary because I'm not party affiliated and don't vote in primaries. It appears you're getting sucked into a media narrative that I refuse to entertain.



The media controls the voters, including the "independents". So you better care about them and how they're brainwashing the masses.



Exactly what baggage are you referring to? Be precise with specific examples.

100% agree - the freaking media is trying to lead me around with their narrative and I refuse to be part of that!!!!



You were posting this at the same time I was finding Tammy's piece!

 

[TPD]

This is NOT the link I was looking for -she was just on the the earlier segment of the Fox & Friends show this morning, but it's a piece she posted yesterday 11/11/22 - and it's also very good insight.

I share her views in the last paragraph - I said the same thing a couple of days ago.



https://amac.us/dont-believe-the-sp...G4TNev5-30IVbCEsOcFgVJnRur3fGG4Gqwamh6gSyAohY

If Trump could get DeSantis onboard, I think when he announces his run for president, he immediately needs to announce that DeSantis will be his running mate. Break all norms and announce who your running mate is immediately instead of waiting till 4 months before the general election. This would be a guaranteed winner and eliminate a bunch of the primary mudslinging BS. And it would give this country a guarantee of 12 years to shape up.

 

[Bann]

If Trump could get DeSantis onboard, I think when he announces his run for president, he immediately needs to announce that DeSantis will be his running mate. Break all norms and announce who your running mate is immediately instead of waiting till 4 months before the general election. This would be a guaranteed winner and eliminate a bunch of the primary mudslinging BS. And it would give this country a guarantee of 12 years to shape up.

I don't know how, when or where he's going to do it - but I think that is exactly what Trump has in mind - that DeSantis is going to be on the ticket WITH HIM in the lead.

There is no other path to claim back the party for a generation. Just like what happened in the 80's with Reagan - and then BUSH, and then we got stupid again.

I hope I'll still be out there dancing and carrying on with my hunky men friends, but I might be too old to care by then that time around.

 

[SamSpade]

It appears he's trying

It doesn't matter if there isn't anyone else - if it's just Trump, it's only good as long as he's alive, and it doesn't go beyond his reach.

I've seen something like this first-hand - a cult I was in, once the main guy and a couple of his friends died or retired or whatever - the whole thing collapsed because THEY WERE IT. The big guy was the hero, and he - and others - believed he was the ONLY ONE WHO COULD DO IT. Once he was gone, everything was gone.

The GOP has to play the same game as the Dems - and they need more press than just FOX. Right now, we have as you have observed and mentioned, a whole generation of Republican leaders who eventually get beat up enough by the press - they either cow or totally capitulate. NOBODY in the mainstream press shits on the Dems as brutally and consistently as gets done to the Republicans.

They're going to need different firepower, because the left has the major outlets, and they are NOT going to change - not unless it becomes toxic and massively unprofitable to be the way they are.

 

[PJay]

That’s been one of the biggest disappointment of the last few years.

he really turned fast.

My opinion is he lied, like the majority of them always do. Tell us what we want to hear to win.

 

[Kyle]

My opinion is he lied, like the majority of them always do. Tell us what we want to hear to win.

Either way, sad.