Suicide

AC/DC · Mar 1, 2005

Last ditch effort of control or easy way out??

I’ve gotten news that someone I know has taken his life and I’m curious as to what you all think of this.

kwillia · Mar 1, 2005

I see it as being in control of taking the easy way out. That person no longer hurts/hates/hinders anymore... :ohwell:

AC/DC · Mar 1, 2005

morganj614 said:
I see suicide as a selfish act. I do not know that persons story or what would drive them to do it.

To me, it's the last ditch effort of control....when everything else is out of control, they feel they need to kill themselves to prove that they are still in control. :loser:

workin hard · Mar 1, 2005

Easy way out. Everything can be fixed. It may take awhile and some effort but in can be done but if you have a chemical imbalance then it may seem like the only thing left.

Kizzy · Mar 1, 2005

I posted something in Chicken Soup about this topic. :huggy:

I'm sorry. I just think that yes to some degree it is selfish, but you have to look at the components of depression. Everyone feels sad/blue, but most people who do commit suicide, feel everything is just hopeless. Have you ever felt everything is just hopeless? Read what I posted in there, he felt it was hopeless. As an outsider looking in, it did seem that way. Nearly everything that was important to him was gone. :ohwell:

kwillia · Mar 1, 2005

morganj614 said:
I see suicide as a selfish act. I do not know that persons story or what would drive them to do it.

Of course it's selfish... that is what suicide is... it's all about ending the pain and suffering of the person committing the act. It does not consider the pain and suffering being left behind... unless the pain and suffering being left behind was considered 'icing on the cake' by the one now dead.

dems4me · Mar 1, 2005

kwillia said:
I see it as being in control of taking the easy way out. That person no longer hurts/hates/hinders anymore...

yeah that.... :frown:

sometimes it's depressing to realize you are worth more dead than alive :frown:

but it's illegal so than the person needs to figure out a way to do it so it looks accidental :shrug:

I don't see it as selfish at all personally. It's a decision :shrug:

Why are the posts depressing today :frown:

:shrug:

Jazz?... you around Jazz? ... :frown:

:shrug:

kwillia · Mar 1, 2005

workin hard said:
Easy way out. Everything can be fixed. It may take awhile and some effort but in can be done but if you have a chemical imbalance then it may seem like the only thing left.

But what if your definition of 'being fixed' is not deemed an acceptable definition by the person who decided to say 'F it'. You cannot impose your definition of 'life is worth living' on someone else.

Kain99 · Mar 1, 2005

kwillia said:
Of course it's selfish... that is what suicide is... it's all about ending the pain and suffering of the person committing the act. It does not consider the pain and suffering being left behind... unless the pain and suffering being left behind was considered 'icing on the cake' by the one now dead.

I think it's selfish to kill yourself... Yet the idea, that it is a last ditch effort to control is flawed.

aps45819 · Mar 1, 2005

It's a permant solution to temporary problems.

aps45819 · Mar 1, 2005

dems4me said:
but it's illegal so than the person needs to figure out a way to do it so it looks accidental

Of course if you're already brain dead, it's self euthanasia.

workin hard · Mar 1, 2005

kwillia said:
But what if your definition of 'being fixed' is not deemed an acceptable definition by the person who decided to say 'F it'. You cannot impose your definition of 'life is worth living' on someone else.

True. I guess it all depends on the person's outlook on if they believe they are strong enough to get through whatever challenages they are going through. It is hard for me to comprehend a person having a negative outlook on life because I'm such a positive person and I don't understand why a person would purposelly end their life and miss so many good things and make their family and friends suffer like that.

dems4me · Mar 1, 2005

kwillia said:
Of course it's selfish... that is what suicide is... it's all about ending the pain and suffering of the person committing the act. It does not consider the pain and suffering being left behind... unless the pain and suffering being left behind was considered 'icing on the cake' by the one now dead.

I don't know that I agree... when one is depressed I don't think they fully feel loved or realize they are loved by others... I think they see themselves as failures or something :shrug: I don't know... maybe it's because they suffer from a chemical imbalance (depression) that makes it soo they can't see the facts as they are clearly or something... I don't think anyone would commit suicide to be selfish intentionally. JMO :shrug:

kwillia · Mar 1, 2005

dems4me said:
I don't know that I agree... when one is depressed I don't think they fully feel loved or realize they are loved by others... I think they see themselves as failures or something :shrug: I don't know... maybe it's because they suffer from a chemical imbalance (depression) that makes it soo they can't see the facts as they are clearly or something... I don't think anyone would commit suicide to be selfish intentionally. JMO :shrug:

...finish your thought process...."... and because that person deems themselves to be broken, they chose to end it for the ultimate purpose of ending having to live their broken life another day.... that choice is not about another living soul... it is ultimately only ever about that one person ending their life.... thereby it could be considered selfish."

suzeQ · Mar 1, 2005

kwillia said:
...finish your thought process...."... and because that person deems themselves to be broken, they chose to end it for the ultimate purpose of ending having to live their broken life another day.... that choice is not about another living soul... it is ultimately only ever about that one person ending their life.... thereby it could be considered selfish."

Well said. For whatever reason they decide to take their own life, they are not thinking of the suffering that their friends and family will go through--so they are being selfish.

kwillia · Mar 1, 2005

workin hard said:
True. I guess it all depends on the person's outlook on if they believe they are strong enough to get through whatever challenages they are going through. It is hard for me to comprehend a person having a negative outlook on life because I'm such a positive person and I don't understand why a person would purposelly end their life and miss so many good things and make their family and friends suffer like that.

And in my opinion, because you cannot fathom feeling like that, you cannot begin to judge whether or not a suicidal person had a valid reason to take his/her own life. I don't consider all suicides to be in vain.... yes, some are tragic because with some help perhaps that person could of gone on to lead a very happy and normal life, but I also believe that there are cases when perhaps it was for the best.

vraiblonde · Mar 1, 2005

aps45819 said:
It's a permant solution to temporary problems.

EXACTLY. A friend of mine once said, "You know what your problem is, Vrai? You think that how you feel right now is how you're going to feel for the rest of your life."

Hmmm, said I.

And that's what it is with suicides. A friend of my daughter's tried to kill herself over some boy who broke up with her. Can you imagine that? 16 years old and her whole life ahead of her, and she wants to end it all over some kid whose name she won't even remember 10 years from now.

kwillia · Mar 1, 2005

vraiblonde said:
EXACTLY. A friend of mine once said, "You know what your problem is, Vrai? You think that how you feel right now is how you're going to feel for the rest of your life."

Hmmm, said I.

And that's what it is with suicides. A friend of my daughter's tried to kill herself over some boy who broke up with her. Can you imagine that? 16 years old and her whole life ahead of her, and she wants to end it all over some kid whose name she won't even remember 10 years from now.

Agreed... but all I'm saying is that not all suicides are based on something so trivial, and sometimes people are really 'unfixable'. :ohwell:

K_Jo · Mar 1, 2005

Someone who does not live with depression can't possibly comprehend being so sad and hopeless that suicide seems like the only option. Selfish is not the right word for it. Yes, it is tragic for family and friends, but you have to understand that the thoughts in the depressed person's head and the pain in their heart can become too much to bear. It's easy to say "What a selfish, cowardly way out," but depression is a horrible thing to live with and if you don't know anything about it, you can't possible judge a depressed person's actions.

suzeQ · Mar 1, 2005

kwillia said:
Agreed... but all I'm saying is that not all suicides are based on something so trivial, and sometimes people are really 'unfixable'.

I can see that in the case of a terminal illness, but sometimes I think the person just doesn't want to go through what they have to in order to get 'fixed.'

I'm thinking of someone strung out on drugs who is facing rehab, or who has broken the law and is facing prison, etc.

Unless we have been in those shoes, it is hard to imagine feeling so hopeless.

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