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dems4me

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kwillia said:
...finish your thought process...."... and because that person deems themselves to be broken, they chose to end it for the ultimate purpose of ending having to live their broken life another day.... that choice is not about another living soul... it is ultimately only ever about that one person ending their life.... thereby it could be considered selfish."
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Of course it could be considered selfish for those left behind, don't be silly, I agree. But for the person comitting, I don't think they are in a rational state of mind to realize and consider the factors of those around and left behind and the burden they will be facing, etc... :shrug: Maybe the person doesn't feel like anyone will care if he's gone :shrug: Maybe he's convinced himself this is the best thing... sometimes when you have questions and answer them on your own... your answer's arnt the most logical :shrug:
 
kwillia

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dems4me said:
Maybe he's convinced himself this is the best thing... :shrug:
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If they go thru with the suicide, of course that was their final conclusion. Don't get so hung up on the word 'selfish'... suicide is way more complex than just that.
 
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K_Jo said:
Someone who does not live with depression can't possibly comprehend being so sad and hopeless that suicide seems like the only option. Selfish is not the right word for it. Yes, it is tragic for family and friends, but you have to understand that the thoughts in the depressed person's head and the pain in their heart can become too much to bear. It's easy to say "What a selfish, cowardly way out," but depression is a horrible thing to live with and if you don't know anything about it, you can't possible judge a depressed person's actions.
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:yeahthat:

That's the best post I've read all year!!! :clap:
 
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suzeQ

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dems4me said:
Of course it could be considered selfish for those left behind, don't be silly, I agree. But for the person comitting, I don't think they are in a rational state of mind to realize and consider the factors of those around and left behind and the burden they will be facing, etc... :shrug: Maybe the person doesn't feel like anyone will care if he's gone :shrug: Maybe he's convinced himself this is the best thing... sometimes when you have questions and answer them on your own... your answer's arnt the most logical :shrug:
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I don't think anyone is saying a suicide is committed for selfish reasons; just that it is a selfish act because they are only thinking of themselves.

I think they commit suicide because of whatever personal problems they are having that leads them to believe no life is better than the life they are living. They are so overwhelmed with these thoughts that they think of no one else, and that's where the selfishness comes in.
 
kwillia

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workin hard said:
Kinda of like putting someone out of their misery?
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Kinda like accepting the fact that some people can honestly be that miserable. I'm just saying not everyone can be fixed or that even if they are deemed 'fixable' by someone elses standard, it doesn't mean it's an acceptable place to be by that person. :ohwell:
 
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suzeQ said:
I don't think anyone is saying a suicide is committed for selfish reasons; just that it is a selfish act because they are only thinking of themselves.

I think they commit suicide because of whatever personal problems they are having that leads them to believe no life is better than the life they are living. They are so overwhelmed with these thoughts that they think of no one else, and that's where the selfishness comes in.
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True... this was the question posed "Last ditch effort of control or easy way out??" My answer was neither... it was the hard way out. I don't know of anyone that smiles and laughs as they are committing suicide. It's a painful decision to have to make and a terrible predicament to be in :shrug: JMO
 
BuddyLee

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kwillia said:
Kinda like accepting the fact that some people can honestly be that miserable. I'm just saying not everyone can be fixed or that even if they are deemed 'fixable' by someone elses standard, it doesn't mean it's an acceptable place to be by that person. :ohwell:
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Note that it's some people and not the bulk or majority as so many make it out to be.
 
BigSlam123b

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AC/DC said:
Last ditch effort of control or easy way out?? :confused:

I’ve gotten news that someone I know has taken his life and I’m curious as to what you all think of this.
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I think it is not only cowardly, but selfish. Everyone has problems, some worse than others. By committing this act, you selfishly deprive family members of a loved one. You are also a coward, beacause you chose the easy way out. Instead of facing your problems head on and dealing with them, you decided it would just be easier to opt for an early out. As someone who had to deal with a family member opting for this, I can honestly say this. Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.
 
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workin hard

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kwillia said:
Kinda like accepting the fact that some people can honestly be that miserable. I'm just saying not everyone can be fixed or that even if they are deemed 'fixable' by someone elses standard, it doesn't mean it's an acceptable place to be by that person. :ohwell:
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I agree with you that not everyone can be "fixed" or even if they do get "fixed" it will make it all better for the person. If I was that miserable I wouldn't know what action I would resort to. All depends on the person and their situation. I just think that suicide is a sad thing and hard thing for family and friends to have to go through.
 
BuddyLee

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K_Jo said:
Depression is not always a temporary problem. It can be a lifelong problem, even with meds.
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How do you know? Can you predict the future and what it will hold?
 
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K_Jo said:
Depression is not always a temporary problem. It can be a lifelong problem, even with meds.
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:yeahthat: and that is even if you take your meds. I have a family member who has threatend suicide, not taken her meds, been to the hospital for psychiatric reasons.
 
K_Jo

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BigSlam123b said:
I think it is not only cowardly, but selfish. Everyone has problems, some worse than others. By committing this act, you selfishly deprive family members of a loved one. You are also a coward, beacause you chose the easy way out. Instead of facing your problems head on and dealing with them, you decided it would just be easier to opt for an early out. As someone who had to deal with a family member opting for this, I can honestly say this. Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.
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So you think your family member was just having a bad day and decided to end it? I doubt that. I imagine that more likely it was years of suffering that you probably can't understand and I seriously doubt it was the "easy way out" for him/her.
 
kwillia

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BigSlam123b said:
I think it is not only cowardly, but selfish. Everyone has problems, some worse than others. By committing this act, you selfishly deprive family members of a loved one. You are also a coward, beacause you chose the easy way out. Instead of facing your problems head on and dealing with them, you decided it would just be easier to opt for an early out. As someone who had to deal with a family member opting for this, I can honestly say this. Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.
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And as someone that has also had to deal with this, I can honestly say it can also be considered selfish of those left behind to hold onto their anger at that person because they would much rather have that person alive yet miserable, pathetic, and hurting. :shrug:
 
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