Suicide

[somdcrab]

I see suicide as a selfish act. I do not know that persons story or what would drive them to do it.

i agree

 

[workin hard]

You are also a coward, beacause you chose the easy way out. Instead of facing your problems head on and dealing with them, you decided it would just be easier to opt for an early out..

You have got to understand in some peoples mind their problems are huge and unfaceable. And they don't feel like they have any other way out.

 

[BigSlam123b]

So you think your family member was just having a bad day and decided to end it? I doubt that. I imagine that more likely it was years of suffering that you probably can't understand and I seriously doubt it was the "easy way out" for him/her.

Oh, I understand it. Maybe not first hand, but i understand it. Growing up with a mother who was sexually abused as a child and had chemical depression, as well other family members with the same issues, I have seen it first hand. I have also seen them deal with it through medication, therapy, strong friendships, and faith in God. everyone has good and bad days, some more severe than others, but it can be dealt with as long as you are willing to try and WORK at it. Instead of just clamming up and offing yourself!

I have also seen a family member who had a failed attempt turn their life around. After the birth of her child, she relaized that some things in life were more important than her problems. she still struggles day to day with her depression, but she would never consider suicide again. Everyday will be a struggle, but it's a struggle worth fighting.

 

[BuddyLee]

You have got to understand in some peoples mind their problems are huge and unfaceable. And they don't feel like they have any other way out.

And this is why I look at 'suicidal' people as being weak. Everyone has a weakness but if you can't live with yourself that is a more than profound weakness. Think of this as natural selection, only the strong will survive.

 

[K_Jo]

Oh, I understand it. Maybe not first hand, but i understand it. Growing up with a mother who was sexually abused as a child and had chemical depression, as well other family members with the same issues, I have seen it first hand. I have also seen them deal with it through medication, therapy, strong friendships, and faith in God. everyone has good and bad days, some more severe than others, but it can be dealt with as long as you are willing to try and WORK at it. Instead of just clamming up and offing yourself!

You're entitled to your opinion, but by "understand" I mean actually having the feelings yourself, not living with someone who is depressed. I'm not trying to be insensitive to what you grew up with, but unless the hopeless feeling is actually in your heart, you just can't know.

 

[kwillia]

And this is why I look at 'suicidal' people as being weak. Everyone has a weakness but if you can't live with yourself that is a more than profound weakness. Think of this as natural selection, only the strong will survive.

Exactly, not everyone is strong enough to endure the day-to-day struggle, hence, successful suicidal situations. There are also those that think it's what they want and then the get to the edge of that bridge or look down that gun barrel or count that handful of pills one last time... only to realize it's not really what they want. Then they get a new lease on life, a new will to live, new strength and resolve to make things change... that happens too...

 

[BigSlam123b]

You're entitled to your opinion, but by "understand" I mean actually having the feelings yourself, not living with someone who is depressed. I'm not trying to be insensitive to what you grew up with, but unless the hopeless feeling is actually in your heart, you just can't know.

I have also seen a family member who had a failed attempt turn their life around. After the birth of her child, she realized that some things in life were more important than her problems. she still struggles day to day with her depression, but she would never consider suicide again. Everyday will be a struggle, but it's a struggle worth fighting.

 

[K_Jo]

I have also seen a family member who had a failed attempt turn their life around. After the birth of her child, she realized that some things in life were more important than her problems. she still struggles day to day with her depression, but she would never consider suicide again. Everyday will be a struggle, but it's a struggle worth fighting.

That sounds like someone I know.

 

[dems4me]

And this is why I look at 'suicidal' people as being weak. Everyone has a weakness but if you can't live with yourself that is a more than profound weakness. Think of this as natural selection, only the strong will survive.

Ohh for crap sake BL...I wasn't going to merit this post with a response but I'm kind of perturbed by it... I don't think suicidal peopl are weak... they are ill and have a chemical imbalance or uptake inhibitor problem chemically -- they are not and are not weak - they are sick and have not been blessed to have been born with all the chemicals working in good fashion in the brain. It has nothing to do with natural selection no more than someone being born with MS, diabeties or anyother ailment. People are all unique and imperfect. There is no one perfect gene.

 

[dems4me]

I know people that threaten suicide as a means of attention. My ex did it to me and when I finally had heard it so many times and said here's the gun please shut up and go do it, is when he stopped threatening. I know a lady that does it all the time for attention and to threaten is a means of control. I have had bouts of depression but good thing I have the mind to tell myself it's just crap and start over again tomorrow. I understand the emotions but can't see doing it. There's too much to live for.

I think there's a slight difference between those that feel the need to keep folks emotionally hostage by crying wolf and those that are seriously contemplatin the act. Althouh folks cry wolf, I still think it is a cry for help though and shouldn't be ignored. Aside for the threats, I think you should see if there are any other symptoms other than threats. The threats could just be that -- threats... but if they are acting on it (giving away possessions, etc..) you should definately get help for that person.
I think alot of us has been in the predicament where it has crossed our minds for a fleeting moment, but those that are clinically depressed regretablly have the thought for more than a fleeting moment and from my experience... doesn't go around telling folks near them about it. :shrug: JMO

 

[BuddyLee]

Ohh for crap sake BL...I wasn't going to merit this post with a response but I'm kind of perturbed by it... I don't think suicidal peopl are weak... they are ill and have a chemical imbalance or uptake inhibitor problem chemically -- they are not and are not weak - they are sick and have not been blessed to have been born with all the chemicals working in good fashion in the brain.

Think before you post Ms. Dems. Recall what 'natural selection' is!

The above makes them weak. If an animal in the wild does not have what it needs to survive, it dies.

they are sick

weakness.

born with all the chemicals working in good fashion

weakness.

It has nothing to do with natural selection no more than someone being born with MS, diabeties or anyother ailment.

Why not?

People are all unique and imperfect. There is no one perfect gene.

True and that is why the strongest will survive while the weakest perish.

 

[somdcrab]

I know people that threaten suicide as a means of attention. My ex did it to me and when I finally had heard it so many times and said here's the gun please shut up and go do it, is when he stopped threatening. I know a lady that does it all the time for attention and to threaten is a means of control. I have had bouts of depression but good thing I have the mind to tell myself it's just crap and start over again tomorrow. I understand the emotions but can't see doing it. There's too much to live for.

AMEN suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem
when i get down and depressed i tell my self the feeling down is a temporary problem an old friend of mine used to say "this too shall pass"

 

[somdcrab]

just like the good things and feelings in life pass so do the f@#$ed up things

 

[somdcrab]

Mental illness IS an illness that is just becoming more open to talk about and it needs to be addressed. There are meds for chemical imbalances and help for those who are willing to recognize the need for them. That's why this needs to be discussed. We can't all be perfect like BL..

what are you doing with that

 

[dems4me]

Think before you post Ms. Dems. Recall what 'natural selection' is!

The above makes them weak. If an animal in the wild does not have what it needs to survive, it dies.

weakness.

weakness.

Why not?

True and that is why the strongest will survive while the weakest perish.

You are referring to animals in the wild for shiat sake.

Buddy -- In my opinion and beliefs... comparing human beings to animals is just absurd - I won't waste any more time arguing with this. If you feel diabetes, MS, depression, is a weakness or character defect, I strongly disagree with you. No one is perfect. I can think of imperfections that relate to you if you like and call them weaknesses and then describe survival of the fitest and describe how you do not fit the "A" list (according to the animal kingdom) if you like, but I'm swamped today. I think it is incredibly insensitive for you to call people suffering from depression weak, just the same as any other disease a person has been born with. No one is perfect. What kind of person do you classify as having no weaknesses? This almost sounds like an Ariaen nation kind of thing.

 

[BuddyLee]

We can't all be perfect like BL..

I recognize that some people have serious problems as Kwillia has already noted. However, I believe our society has got us thinking we are sicker than what we actually are. Some (not all) people are merely using sickness as an excuse nowadays.

 

[dems4me]

I recognize that some people have serious problems as Kwillia has already noted. However, I believe our society has got us thinking we are sicker than what we actually are. Some (not all) people are merely using sickness as an excuse nowadays.

BL... there is medical documentation stating the chemical imbalances that cause depression :shrug: The depressed person tends to keep uptaking thoughts and feelings where the normal person acknowledges and deals with it... the depressed person keeps having these chemicals reuptake and reuptake and reuptake, etc... too many reuptake chemicals flowing around I guess. Kind of like a lion that goes out to hunt -- one goes out and hunts, eats and then is full and satisfied... but for some chemical reason in the brain... Lion two goes out hunts and eats and doesn't feel the satisfaction and stays in the hunt mode instead of progressing to the next emotion -- the brain keeps getting a chemical impulse (the chemical serotonin) to stay in that mode thereby it keeps uptaking - if that makes anysense. Most antidepressants are serotonin reuptake inhibitors. It has nothing to do with people suffering from depression being weak people or using disease or illness as a crutch. No more than someone that is diabetic and has an insulin problem.

 

[BigSlam123b]

I recognize that some people have serious problems as Kwillia has already noted. However, I believe our society has got us thinking we are sicker than what we actually are. Some (not all) people are merely using sickness as an excuse nowadays.

I'm afraid i have to agree with this statement. Today's society believes there is a pill for everything. Instead of working out your problems, take this little pill. You have trouble paying attention? Take this little pill.

 

[BuddyLee]

You are referring to animals in the wild for shiat sake.

Buddy -- In my opinion and beliefs... comparing human beings to animals is just absurd - I won't waste any more time arguing with this. If you feel diabetes, MS, depression, is a weakness or character defect, I strongly disagree with you.

You're right! I shouldn't compare the two but the theory of natural selection is true if you think about it. The weaker people fall behind or sometimes die. As I said before, I shoudn't compare the two because we as human beings have the ability to rationalize!

I think it is incredibly insensitive for you to call people suffering from depression weak, just the same as any other disease a person has been born with. No one is perfect. What kind of person do you classify as having no weaknesses? This almost sounds like an Ariaen nation kind of thing.

If I am insensitive for telling the truth then so be it.

 

[morganj614]

I recognize that some people have serious problems as Kwillia has already noted. However, I believe our society has got us thinking we are sicker than what we actually are. Some (not all) people are merely using sickness as an excuse nowadays.

I agree to disagree with you. We are now talking more openly about these problems and people don't have to suffer like they used to. It's not weak to have a mental illness. I don't think society is making us think we are sicker than we are, we discuss it more. Now I am going to go soak my day away in a hot bath..