Texas bans safest and most common abortion procedure after 13 weeks

[hotbikermama40]

If it can't live on its own and still needs to be inside the womb it is a fetus not a child.

Newsflash here! A newborn can't live on it's own, either. Nor can a toddler, or a young child. And your other argument about the baby being 'a fetus because it is in the womb, so it can't be a child' doesn't make any sense. Because a "child" doesn't accurately describe the child - an infant is a child. A toddler, too is a child. The varying terms adequately identify what stage of life the child is in. Child as a term then describes what stage of life a human being is in in its development.

 

[hotbikermama40]

Um. What? Social construct with who? Are you saying she entered into a agreement with the fetus? wow. you just keep getting more and more off base. "After the birth, she's welcome to give it up. " Isn't that generous of you. A 14 year old raped by her uncle gets to carry the baby to term and then give it up. I'm sure that once have any mental or long term effects on her life. What consequences does the man face for having unprotected sex with a woman that ends in pregnancy?

"separate from oneself." That also implies not dependent on the other person and that is not possible until after at the very least 21 weeks.

A woman making a choice to have sex is - or should be accountable for that choice no matter what the consequences of that choice are.
A child who is violated by rape and impregnated would possibly, if not probably be at risk medically, as would the baby she was carrying if the pregnancy were carried to term.
And a child is dependent on another person for a LONG time after 21 weeks pregnant.

 

[black dog]

A woman making a choice to have sex is - or should be accountable for that choice no matter what the consequences of that choice are.
A child who is violated by rape and impregnated would possibly, if not probably be at risk medically, as would the baby she was carrying if the pregnancy were carried to term.
And a child is dependent on another person for a LONG time after 21 weeks pregnant.

That's just your personal opinions and views.
What gives you the " Right " to tell another citizen what she can and can't do with her body and medical decisions?

 

[hotbikermama40]

That's just your personal opinions and views.
What gives you the " Right " to tell another citizen what she can and can't do with her body and medical decisions?

I have absolutely no problem with any woman doing whatever she likes with her body. My problem is when the child's body is taken along for the ride.
My "right" is used when I vote, nothing more. I've never EVER told a woman what she can or can't do.
And my personal opinions and views have as much value to me as yours do to you.

 

[Sapidus]

Newsflash here! A newborn can't live on it's own, either. Nor can a toddler, or a young child. And your other argument about the baby being 'a fetus because it is in the womb, so it can't be a child' doesn't make any sense. Because a "child" doesn't accurately describe the child - an infant is a child. A toddler, too is a child. The varying terms adequately identify what stage of life the child is in. Child as a term then describes what stage of life a human being is in in its development.

Anyone person can adequately take care of a child once it's born.

 

[hotbikermama40]

Anyone person can adequately take care of a child once it's born.

You mean to say "any one" I believe? And what if when the child is born, there are problems and it needs special medical treatment? Since it wouldn't survive with just "any one" person, should they just euthanize it since it's not able to live "on its own outside the womb".

 

[littlelady]

Anyone person can adequately take care of a child once it's born.

I don't know what to say to your post. I will just laugh. Do you really believe that? :

And, do you understand that some women have children they don't care about just for the income? And, do you understand that that the gov and our tax dollars pay for all that? Are you ok with that situation? I think it is, absolutely time that you get a grip.

 

[PsyOps]

1) Is that fetus human? No. It is not a full formed human

2) Is that fetus a life form? Yes. As is a sperm and and a egg. Or an amoeba or a slug

Wait, you mean when a human female and a human male procreate, the result is not human? You mean that fetus doesn't contain human DNA?

 

[PsyOps]

Using your argument you could say that million of sperm are killed around the world daily. Maybe you should start a parade for all those poor sperm victims.

This is a silly argument. There are millions of sperm in an ejaculation, but only one will fertilize the egg. The rest die.

 

[This_person]

Oh please,, if a woman doesn't take the pill what in most cases happens??????
Yep... Pregnancy.... And that's why this I pill is taken..... TO STOP A PREGNANCY ...

So, that's my compromise. What's yours?

 

[This_person]

That's just your personal opinions and views.
What gives you the " Right " to tell another citizen what she can and can't do with her body and medical decisions?

It's not her body we're concerned with. It's the baby's. What gives you the right to let her kill the baby?

 

[hotbikermama40]

This is a silly argument. There are millions of sperm in an ejaculation, but only one will fertilize the egg. The rest die.

Agreed...he wants to argue that a fetus isn't a life with value, then in the same breath 'defends' potential life?
Out of half a million sperm, it's a little hard to believe that his was the one that won the fertilization battle

 

[This_person]

Anyone person can adequately take care of a child once it's born.

While not technically true, since people are found to be unfit parents all the time, I get your larger point. What you don't realize you admitted is that the baby should go through full gestation and be born, THEN the baby may be turned over to someone else

 

[Wishbone]

Out of half a million sperm, it's a little hard to believe that his was the one that won the fertilization battle

 

[SamSpade]

Anyone person can adequately take care of a child once it's born.

If a child is a pet goldfish, then yes.

 

[PsyOps]

Anyone person can adequately take care of a child once it's born.

You're completely glazing over bikermama's point. A baby cannot survive on its own outside the womb. Just as it required an umbilical in the womb, it requires someone to feed it and take care of it outside.

And you can call it a fetus or a blob or blastocyst or whatever… it’s still human, as defined by its DNA, and it’s life. So, it is a human life.

 

[PsyOps]

If a child is a pet goldfish, then yes.

What's really astounding is, these same people that are adamant about abortion are the same people that succeeded in making it a federal crime to disturb sea turtle eggs. Don't get me wrong, sea turtles are a protected species, so I don't have a problem with that; but have we really placed a higher value to protected/endangered species than humans?

 

[black dog]

It's not her body we're concerned with. It's the baby's. What gives you the right to let her kill the baby?

So what decisions a citizen of the US makes with their personal and medical choices are not there own to make.. you gotta be F'ing kidding me..
Where do you anti's come up with this malarkey..
And it's not my rights nor anyone else's rights to mandate what another citizen does with their medical and personal decisions.

 

[PsyOps]

Agreed...he wants to argue that a fetus isn't a life with value, then in the same breath 'defends' potential life?
Out of half a million sperm, it's a little hard to believe that his was the one that won the fertilization battle

It shows that diversity starts in the womb.

 

[PsyOps]

So what decisions a citizen of the US makes with their personal and medical choices are not there own to make.. you gotta be F'ing kidding me..
Where do you anti's come up with this malarkey..
And it's not my rights nor anyone else's rights to mandate what another citizen does with their medical and personal decisions.

What I do in regards to my own health affects me only. What a woman does in having a abortion affects her and that baby/fetus/blastocyst/blob/human life.