Texas bans safest and most common abortion procedure after 13 weeks
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This_person
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Which one of those sperm is a different human with different DNA than the man ejaculating it? Or, do you not get the difference between sperm and a separate human being?
I am very sorry I have other things to do than wait out for your replies on here. I will try to answer your questions in a more timely manner. SARCASM.
If it can't live on its own and still needs to be inside the womb it is a fetus not a child. Using your argument you could say that million of sperm are killed around the world daily. Maybe you should start a parade for all those poor sperm victims.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
What day along the pregnancy cycle is that, exactly??
38 weeks.. 30 weeks.. 20 weeks?? 15 weeks??
It's a fetus, not a child.. whatever helps the evil amongst sleep at night..
This_person
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As shown to you previously, the Mayo Clinic and Princeton disagree with you.
Which one of those sperm is a different human with different DNA than the man ejaculating it? Or, do you not get the difference between sperm and a separate human being?
You seem to be under the impression that any living thing "such as life on mars" is life and should be treated as such. Sperm are alive. In fact, they recently discovered they have a sense of smell.
This_person
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I was not the one talking about Mars, but, if they found living beings on Mars I would not call them "clumps of cells" to be killed off with no regard for their existence. Now, the fact that they're on another planet would actually give them a huge edge over, say, the bacteria I kill with my anti-bacterial soap, or the bugs I hit with my truck - I will admit that completely. A microbe undersea means no more to me than those things - but if it were found on Mars it would be completely different.
But, in the realm of sperm vs child, masturbation vs. abortion, there's really no comparing the two. Ejaculating sperm actually is just up to the male, like cutting off fingernails or pooping. It is certainly not even in the same category as killing another human being, separate from oneself.
Your provided the key right there dum dum
21 weeks is the age of the youngest premie on record.
This_person
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That would be a baby in the womb - a completely separate human as differentiated by DNA, circulatory system, brain, etc., etc., from the parents. It just happens to reside in the mother's womb until birth. The social contract the mother made when willingly performing the action of risking pregnancy is to care for that child until birth, as she is the only one who can. After the birth, she's welcome to give it up. Heck, in some states you can have a lemon-baby law where you just drop the kid off at the local fire station with no consequence to you personally at all.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
So that means it would be IMPOSSIBLE for a 20 week and 6 day old baby from surviving outside the womb??
Is it legal to have abortions on the 146th day?? or the 147th day?? How about the 148th day??
This_person
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I'm sorry - are you suggesting one must be able to survive unaided in an environment we're not designed to survive in the definition of what makes us human? Are you saying what science calls a human is somehow subhuman?
Why would the standard be something that is NOT supposed to happen?
Um. What? Social construct with who? Are you saying she entered into a agreement with the fetus? wow. you just keep getting more and more off base. "After the birth, she's welcome to give it up. " Isn't that generous of you. A 14 year old raped by her uncle gets to carry the baby to term and then give it up. I'm sure that once have any mental or long term effects on her life. What consequences does the man face for having unprotected sex with a woman that ends in pregnancy?
"separate from oneself." That also implies not dependent on the other person and that is not possible until after at the very least 21 weeks.
See what I mean about just wanting to argue for arguments sake. The semantics I can't even begin with this one.
This_person
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Actually, the "social" part of "social contract" means "with society". It's called personal responsibility.
You need to read more completely. I said, "...when she willingly perform[ed] the action of risking pregnancy." Unless you believe a 14 year old raped by her uncle was a willing participant, you are now making #### up. Rapes account for decimal dust, according to planned parenthood, in the percentage of abortions that occur. Surely there are people out there with something other than XX and XY chromosomes, but they also are decimal dust in percentages of humans. Let's stick with the vast majority when we're talking, or stick with at least arguing against what the other person said instead of making #### up to argue against.
Um, that reward would be called "fatherhood". If he chooses not to be involved as a father, he is still liable for child support.
Well, I would submit to you an infant for an awfully long time is still dependent - wholly and completely - on others. I'm not sure what you are attempting to say here; are you implying it's still abortion when the baby is 18 months old, because an 18 month old cannot live independently?
This_person
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I see you have to read what you're saying in different words, and you don't like it.
Why should the baby need to be able to survive independently outside the womb to be considered separate? That is what you are saying when you say it is viable outside the womb. It's not meant to be outside the womb until birth - why would you take it out before that, and use that as a criteria for whether or not it is acceptable to kill it?
Toxick
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Toxick
Splat
Maybe.
However, I see little difference between a sperm cell going to its doom than I do hair falling out, fingernails being discarded or dermal cells flaking off and being sucked up by an air filtration device.
The little difference being that it's way more fun to eject sperm (either in private or with company) than to lose hair, fingernails or dander.
black dog
Free America
What did you pull off?
It does not end a life, it stops a woman from getting pregnant. It is the compromise I, personally, am willing to accept. What is the compromise you are willing to accept, Dog?
Oh please,, if a woman doesn't take the pill what in most cases happens??????
Yep... Pregnancy.... And that's why this I pill is taken..... TO STOP A PREGNANCY ...