The Child Support injustice.

[VoteJP]

Custody means legally stealing the children.

Did you forget you can quote someone's post?

Duh, I certainly know what the post says, and how can you expect to be taken seriously when you ask some thing that lame?

If I wanted to quote either posting or add anything to either posting then I would do so, duh.

So if you want to add some thing or make a comment to either then do so.

So, in fairness to you, you did not say she was a liar. Just not accurate nor true in what she said, and just trying to create a dishonest dispute.

I always write what I mean and I mean what I write.

I do not put in any secret messages or between-the-lines messages and no outside interpretations, and whatever is said is all that is said.

So, which part of her story was inaccurate or untrue. What did she state that was dishonest enough to cause a dishonest dispute?

If we go by my posting and my words than it says that everything she said was not accurate nor true.

All I use is simple English language and no tricks from me.

 

[hvp05]

no tricks from me.

One would think that, since you are limited to typing with your one good finger, when you did post you would make each word worthwhile. Yet you seem to LOVE to go on and on without saying anything at all. Why bother?

 

[Bronwyn]

What exactly did I lie about? I'll see if I can clear it up for you.


p.s.

If JPtard actually comes back with a "lie" that I told, please quote him since i have him on iggy.

 

[VoteJP]

The Contrarian.

Why bother?

I totally agree.

Why bother with any of it?

And I wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[~mellabella~]

It is not the same at all.

In Child Support a parents is put in jail simply for being poor which means the parents has done nothing to merit a crime and thereby guilty of nothing.

It is the non-custodial parent's inaction which gets him/her in trouble. It is not based on the fact that the parent is poor, it is based on the fact that the parent did not attempt to make payment.

In Maryland, and I'd assume most other states, there are several ways in which the state attempts to collect money from the delinquent parent. They can garnish wages, take from federal and state income tax refunds, report the past due amount to the credit bureau, suspend their license, collect from any lottery winnings they win, hold them in contempt of court for disobeying a court order, and if they run across state lines in order to avoid paying they can refer the case to Federal prosecution.

Now if you think these are extreme steps to "punish these poor parents" who in fact are neglecting their child/children, think of the reasons why they are so strict. If someone is disabled, they can apply for disability to help support their child. If they don't have a job, then it is their responsibility to get one in order to help support the child they helped create.

In a lot of situations, children miss out on time spent with the non custodial parent simply because the parent refuses to help support them. It isn't being poor that causes so many families to be torn apart (which I know is a concern of yours) it is the parents failure to act. It is laziness driven by bitterness from the marriage, or maybe from being a parent. Either way, the parent needs to pay.

 

[VoteJP]

Custody means legally stealing the children.

I have no reason to doubt her, so I believe every word.

And, why would you doubt her?

The problem for me is that I wish that her words were true, so me expressing my doubts makes no sense at all.

 

[VoteJP]

Custody means legally stealing the children.

It is the non-custodial parent's inaction which gets him/her in trouble.

In Maryland, and I'd assume most other states, there are several ways in which the state attempts to collect money from the delinquent parent.

Now if you think these are extreme steps to "punish these poor parents" who in fact are neglecting their child/children, think of the reasons why they are so strict.

In a lot of situations, children miss out on time spent with the non custodial parent simply because the parent refuses to help support them.

Hi "mellabella",

That is quite a speech, but I say it shows you have a real lacking in ethical and moral standards, as you just do not know that it is wrong to steal, and it is wrong to receive the stolen money, and everything else is hog wash.

And it is not just stealing money as it is stealing the children from their separated parents too.

No one owes anyone anything for having a baby, and stealing their money and stealing their children is some thing that God will punish and not me.

I am just hoping that I can help to speed that process up faster.

 

[VoteJP]

Custody means legally stealing the children.

I agree, so why did you?

I said the "why" way back in my post #351 link it HERE, and for the record I quote it in blue below;

... there is not much else for me to do other then to call her on it.

... and I say it would be weak of me to let it stand unchallenged.

And that is what I said then, and it is still correct and true now.

 

[VoteJP]

Custody means legally stealing the children.

We're still waiting for you to challenge her on it.

I did challenge it, and if you look at my blue letter quotes in the above post (or see my full posting) then a sensible person can see that I was speaking in past tense - as in it was already done.

Maybe you just can not understand that I actually mean what I say?

I do realize that many posters on these Boards say anything and mean anything or mean nothing, but not I.

I said I "challenged" (and I did) then you ask when am I going to "challenge" like you read my words but miss the plain open meaning of the words, and that gives me no effective way to communicate with that.

As in, what did she say, specifically, that was a lie? How do you know? What is the truth?

I did not say anything was a "lie" and I have already said that I do not see it as a "lie" even if it was purposely dishonest, so if you want to call some thing a "lie" or some one as a "liar" then that is no business of mine.

 

[hvp05]

I did challenge it

Using your criteria of a "challenge", I would like to take this opportunity to challenge YOU on everything you believe and say regarding CS (not to mention immigration, religion, taxes, the war, and so on... but all in due time). You consistently say things that are extremely untrue and misleading, and although I am sure you believe them to be otherwise, that alone can not make your claims any more sound.

What I have said is true and accurate. And I will not explain it any further. If you can not understand that is your problem, and you will need to deal with that yourself.

I guess you can not refute this either because you never responded.

 

[Bronwyn]

See Bronwyn, this is how he weasels out of getting trapped, at least in his own mind. He will generate his own word definitions, and if one fails he will spontaneously generate a new definition and keep going. He likes to argue semantics - as he is doing now - instead of discussing substantive details because he already knows he will be too easily pinned by facts if the discussion stayed on objective material.

Which is proof that he's full of crap, a liar, has a history of mental problems, and will never in a million years win his election.

And I think he simply runs for the attention he gets. He loves stiring the pot and pushing buttons, because he gets off on it.

He's just an internet troll like Lance and several others here.

 

[Bronwyn]

He needs to get a dictionary

lie1  /laɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly⋅ing.

–noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.

–verb (used without object) 5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.

 

[Bronwyn]

Another word he doesn't understand

chal⋅lenge  /ˈtʃælɪndʒ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [chal-inj] Show IPA noun, verb, -lenged, -leng⋅ing, adjective
a demand to explain, justify, etc

 

[VoteJP]

The Child Support problem.

He needs to get a dictionary

lie1  /laɪ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly⋅ing.

–noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.

–verb (used without object) 5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.

Well I do know the dictionary and I did explain my position in a previous post but fortunately I love to repeat things (not repeat myself though) and I see the untruth or dishonesty as just being immature like telling people there is a Santa Claus or flying reindeer or tooth fairy as such things are not true and even purposely dishonest but the person telling such untrue stuff does not see it as a "lie" or as "lying" as the person is just immature and unreliable.

I say a true lie must be that of a mature person that knows the words are untrue and has willful intent to deceive the other person(s) in some negative way.

That is not a dictionary definition so I see it as my ethical and moral definition.

And it is not just about being dishonest with children, as well intentioned adults are dishonest about the thieving Child Support and the inhuman Custody arrangements, and I see such dishonesty as because they do not have the higher ethical and moral standards of a mature personality.

So your dictionary is correct, but I see myself as not subject to other people's interpretation unless I agree with that interpretation.

My own conscience is my own judge.

 

[Bronwyn]

Well I do know the dictionary and I did explain my position in a previous post but fortunately I love to repeat things (not repeat myself though) and I see the untruth or dishonesty as just being immature like telling people there is a Santa Claus or flying reindeer or tooth fairy as such things are not true and even purposely dishonest but the person telling such untrue stuff does not see it as a "lie" or as "lying" as the person is just immature and unreliable.

I say a true lie must be that of a mature person that knows the words are untrue and has willful intent to deceive the other person(s) in some negative way.

That is not a dictionary definition so I see it as my ethical and moral definition.

And it is not just about being dishonest with children, as well intentioned adults are dishonest about the thieving Child Support and the inhuman Custody arrangements, and I see such dishonesty as because they do not have the higher ethical and moral standards of a mature personality.

So your dictionary is correct, but I see myself as not subject to other people's interpretation unless I agree with that interpretation.
My own conscience is my own judge.

Have fun in your own little world.

And stay the hell out of mine.

 

[Bronwyn]

Delusional

Here's a REAL definition for you.

de⋅lu⋅sion  /dɪˈluʒən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [di-loo-zhuhn]


–noun 1. an act or instance of deluding.
2. the state of being deluded.
3. a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur.
4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion.

 

[VoteJP]

The Child Support problem.

Have fun in your own little world.

And stay the hell out of mine.

If you would just look at my point then I am saying that you YOU you are NOT a liar and that you did not lie.

How would it be if I did as T_p or others that call anyone a liar and anything a lie that does not agree with their own twisted perceptions?

You could take notice that I am the one that is being respectful to you and acting as a Gentleman to you while others are not.

 

[Bronwyn]

If you would just look at my point then I am saying that you YOU you are NOT a liar and that you did not lie.

How would it be if I did as T_p or others that call anyone a liar and anything a lie that does not agree with their own twisted perceptions?

You could take notice that I am the one that is being respectful to you and acting as a Gentleman to you while others are not.

Guess that's as close to an apology as I can ever expect.

 

[VoteJP]

Custody means legally stealing the children.

Guess that's as close to an apology as I can ever expect.

That stuff you said is still not accurate nor true.

 

[Bronwyn]

That stuff you said is still not accurate nor true.

Well we have JOINT custody... so who stole what from who?