"The Da Vinci Code" - Hinderance or Hype?

[2ndAmendment]

I've been given your title of nastiest on the board. How about that?

I just read this again, and realized this could have been taken as a slam on you elaine. You know we have kidded about this in the past. I just thought it is funny that I have been deemed a nasty, rude, ignorant, jerk, ass, and told to shut up. :shrug: So my comment.

 

[nomoney]

OK. If I miss interpreted your intent, I apologize. I have not been in the best of moods lately and have not taken well to perceived antagonism.

Try this. The Old Testament is divided into three parts: The Law, The Prophets, and The Hagiographa. There are specific instances where death is the correct punishment, certain crimes as outlined in the Bible, which, according to the divisions of the Old Testament, was the law for the Israelites, just as we have the death penalty for certain crimes in our law in the United States.

Killing during war is different than murder. Some don't see it that way, but the distinction is made in the Bible and in our law.

God directed the Israelites to go to war against certain groups of people through His prophets. When He did, the outcome was always the same, the Israelites won. In certain portions of the Old Testament, the Israelites wage war against a people that they were not directed to go against. They would lose in these instances.

Do I personally think war is good? No. Do I think it is sometimes necessary? Yes. Do I think it is sometimes divinely ordained? Yes.

Do I personally think murder is good? No. Do I think it is sometimes necessary? No. Do I think it is sometimes divinely ordained? No, with one exception. God ordained the murder of Jesus to fulfill His plan of salvation.

Thank you for taking your time and answering

 

[Bustem' Down]

Huh. I thought for sure...

Anyway, the Muslims invaded first, conquering land and enslaving the people, and the Christians finally decided enough was enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Which is not to say that the Christian crusaders were these perfect angels, but the fact is that they were defending themselves against Muslim aggression and domination.

Yes, but the islamic nations took lands from the Byzantine Empire, which they held for more than 300 years before the First Crusade was called. That would be like the Pope calling for a crusade to help England reclaim the American colonies. Whatever the political mumbo jumbo said at the time, the crusades sole purpose was to take Jerusalem and hold it under christian control for christian pilgrims, not muslims, not Jews.

 

[2ndAmendment]

This from your original post: "But then again, some people were ordered destroyed by God in the Old Testament; inhabitants of Jericho, Philistines, etc." To me, that doesn't sound like war between two opposing armies. That sounds like genocide, the wholesale slaughter of men, women and children. No belief system should justify someone's death simply because they belong to a different ethnic group or a different belief system.

If you believe that way, suit yourself. Armies have often warred by siege. Again, I don't really care what your opinion is of my belief system or the Bible. It is mine.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Sort of. The crusaders were defending the Middle East Christians against slaughter by the Muslims in many, but not all, of the crusades. The crusades were not particularly successful. As I remember my reading, at least one time, the local Christians ran out to welcome the crusaders and were killed by mistake.

The first was the only one to actually take Jerusalem, and the fourth never made it. The Fourth Crusade stopped and sacked the christian city of Constatinople.

 

[nomoney]

If you believe that way, suit yourself. Armies have often warred by siege. Again, I don't really care what your opinion is of my belief system or the Bible. It is mine.

I am not getting in a pissing match with you but I just read tonio's post like 3 times and I don't see where he voiced his opinion about your belief system? Unless your belief system is to be able to "justify someone's death simply because they belong to a different ethnic group or a different belief system." ?

I am not attacking...I am wondering if that is in fact the case or if maybe you read his post wrong?

 

[Tonio]

Again, I don't really care what your opinion is of my belief system or the Bible. It is mine.

If your belief system has a God who orders believers to murder children, then I do care, because those could be anyone's children, even mine.

 

[2ndAmendment]

This from your original post: "But then again, some people were ordered destroyed by God in the Old Testament; inhabitants of Jericho, Philistines, etc." To me, that doesn't sound like war between two opposing armies. That sounds like genocide, the wholesale slaughter of men, women and children. No belief system should justify someone's death simply because they belong to a different ethnic group or a different belief system.

He was quoting my post and he made the remark at the end of his. Seemed like he was attacking the Bible. I believe the Bible. Period. No qualifications. So, it seems to me he was attacking my belief system.

My perception has not been the best as of late. I have posted things that, in retrospect, would have been better not posted. I hate when I detract from God's work by interjecting myself. His work is perfect. My work is always lacking.

 

[2ndAmendment]

If your belief system has a God who orders believers to murder children, then I do care, because those could be anyone's children, even mine.

But I don't care that you care. Understand. I will believe the Bible in its entirety whether you approve, care, or express disdain.

 

[vraiblonde]

But I don't care that you care. Understand. I will believe the Bible in its entirety whether you approve, care, or express disdain.

2A, I love ya, dude, but you sound like a nut when you talk like this.

If your God tells you to kill children of a certain ethnicity, are you really going to follow through and do it?

No. No, you're not. And do you know why? Because Jesus said "turn the other cheek". You are better off dying than going against the teachings of the Lord. If someone takes your coat, offer your cloak as well - what you have on earth is nothing compared to what awaits in Heaven.

So you know good and well that God is not going to command his servants to kill in his name. That would be SO against the teachings of Jesus it would be ridiculous.

The NT overrides the OT. If you're going to live by the laws of the OT God, then you have rejected Jesus' teachings. Spread the Good News, brother, and let go of that old bad news. That's why Jesus was born in the first place - to straighten people out.

 

[2ndAmendment]

2A, I love ya, dude, but you sound like a nut when you talk like this.

If your God tells you to kill children of a certain ethnicity, are you really going to follow through and do it?

No. No, you're not. And do you know why? Because Jesus said "turn the other cheek". You are better off dying than going against the teachings of the Lord. If someone takes your coat, offer your cloak as well - what you have on earth is nothing compared to what awaits in Heaven.

So you know good and well that God is not going to command his servants to kill in his name. That would be SO against the teachings of Jesus it would be ridiculous.

The NT overrides the OT. If you're going to live by the laws of the OT God, then you have rejected Jesus' teachings. Spread the Good News, brother, and let go of that old bad news. That's why Jesus was born in the first place - to straighten people out.

But He did command the Israelites to do exactly that. Of course that was the Old Testament and before Christianity.

I am not a nut case that says, "God told me to do it." I am saying that God told the Israelites to utterly wipe out their advisaries. That is all.

I try to live by Jesus' teachings. I fail but I try. Glad for God's forgiveness.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Oh. If the Israelites had wiped out every man, woman, and child as instructed when they first took the promised land, there would be no Palestinians to fight with now. I'm not making a judgment call here, just an observation that disobeying God has consequences.

 

[vraiblonde]

But He did command the Israelites to do exactly that. Of course that was the Old Testament and before Christianity.

Doesn't it strike you odd that God changed his mind so dramatically between Malachi and Matthew?

If God really did order armies to kill in his name, then why did he send Jesus down to tell people to quit it?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Doesn't it strike you odd that God changed his mind so dramatically between Malachi and Matthew?

If God really did order armies to kill in his name, then why did he send Jesus down to tell people to quit it?

From a human point of view, yes. But, as the Bible states, His ways are far beyond our ways. Everything serves His purpose. He created it. He directs it. I'm just an actor in the play.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Oh. If the Israelites had wiped out every man, woman, and child as instructed when they first took the promised land, there would be no Palestinians to fight with now. I'm not making a judgment call here, just an observation that disobeying God has consequences.

There would still be someone, those people ranged all across the middle east at the time and the Isrealites did not have the manpower to stop any of the empires of the time.

 

[Funky Brewster]

When God is on your side, you don't fail.

Now we know which football teams he likes!

 

[Funky Brewster]

But I don't care that you care. Understand. I will believe the Bible in its entirety whether you approve, care, or express disdain.

Amen brother, God said it. I believe it.

I always get asked if I have heard an animal talk. I'm like, duh, it's God. What's so hard there to believe?

 

[Larry Gude]

Now that begs an interesting question...

From a human point of view, yes. But, as the Bible states, His ways are far beyond our ways. Everything serves His purpose. He created it. He directs it. I'm just an actor in the play.

...that refers back to the original post;

Do you believe that "The Da Vinci Code" will be a hinderance to those seeking faith in God or is it just a big harmless hype? Why or why not?

What is Gods purpose with this movie?

Did God give us this movie to challenge faith?

Is it simply to entertain, as has been stated numerous times, is that His purpose?

Or is it, as Dondi asks, intended as a hinderance to those seeking faith?

Also, is it accurate to say 'with God on YOUR side..." or is it "When you are on Gods side..."?

It implies humility and subserviance to say you are trying to be on Gods side.
It implies arrogance and a distinct lack of humility to say God is on your side.

Lincoln, in reference to questions regarding whether the Lord was on the side of the Union or the Confederates said something like..."It is less a question the Lord being on their side or ours and more a question of us, hopefully, being on the side of the Lord."

It's a difference with a distinction, I think.

 

[Larry Gude]

We...

Now we know which football teams he likes!

...do?

 

[2ndAmendment]

There would still be someone, those people ranged all across the middle east at the time and the Isrealites did not have the manpower to stop any of the empires of the time.

They didn't have the manpower to take Jericho, but they did. God worked miracles than and works them now.