"The Da Vinci Code" - Hinderance or Hype?

[2ndAmendment]

I'm soooo confused. I thought it was ok according to the bible - since it says "you shall not murder" not- "you shall not kill" And isn't a crusade simply a holy war?

Yes. They were "holy" wars. Were they right or wrong, divinely directed or directed by man? I would look at history for the answer and say they were not divinely directed since, as Bustin observed, all but one failed. When God is on your side, you don't fail.

 

[Bustem' Down]

...if you're in no mood for humor this AM, how about this;



I didn't realize this was in dispute. Isn't it a given?

Well, you forgot your sarcasm button.

 

[mAlice]

When God is on your side, you don't fail.

What if there is a lesson in failing and that's what god wants you to do?

 

[nomoney]

What if there is a lesson in failing and that's what god wants you to do?

Read my mind...

 

[nomoney]

Yes. They were "holy" wars. Were they right or wrong, divinely directed or directed by man? I would look at history for the answer and say they were not divinely directed since, as Bustin observed, all but one failed. When God is on your side, you don't fail.

so basically, thou shall not "murder"/ "kill" (depending on your hebrew translations) - unless God says it's okay?

Or unless : an engaged women is seduced by a man other than her future husband, women who practice black magic, some women who are raped in urban areas, children who cursed their parents, some non-virgin brides, Jews who collect firewood on Saturday to keep their families from freezing....etc...

right?

 

[2ndAmendment]

so basically, thou shall not "murder"/ "kill" (depending on your hebrew translations) - unless God says it's okay?

Or unless : an engaged women is seduced by a man other than her future husband, women who practice black magic, some women who are raped in urban areas, children who cursed their parents, some non-virgin brides, Jews who collect firewood on Saturday to keep their families from freezing....etc...

right?

Bye.

 

[2ndAmendment]

What if there is a lesson in failing and that's what god wants you to do?

I've been given your title of nastiest on the board. How about that?

 

[nomoney]

Bye.

You don't have an answer? Thanks for explaining that to me I feel like I learned something.

 

[mAlice]

I've been given your title of nastiest on the board. How about that?

I don't know what bug crawled up your ass, but you can bite mine. How 'bout that?

 

[2ndAmendment]

You don't have an answer? Thanks for explaining that to me I feel like I learned something.

It is obvious you don't want anything explaind, so I am not going to waste your time or mine.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Ya Know....

...there was a big stink raised when Monty Python's "Life of Brian" came out also. What it all boils down to is that it's just a movie.

 

[nomoney]

It is obvious you don't want anything explaind, so I am not going to waste your time or mine.

Did I not insert enough question marks for your taste? I am just confused as to your stand on the issue - but your lack of answer is enough of an answer for me.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I don't know what bug crawled up your ass, but you can bite mine. How 'bout that?

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[vraiblonde]

Huh??? We invaded them during the crusades not the other way around

I'm sure someone has already told you to check your history. I'll finish reading the thread and get back to you if no one else has.

 

[Bustem' Down]

I'm sure someone has already told you to check your history. I'll finish reading the thread and get back to you if no one else has.

Go ahead and read mine again. I believe I explained it clearly.

 

[Tonio]

...there was a big stink raised when Monty Python's "Life of Brian" came out also. What it all boils down to is that it's just a movie.

I'm a huge Python fan. Of course it's just a movie, although it has the Pythons' views on orthodoxy:

John Cleese: "The film is about closed systems of thought, whether they’re political, theological, religious, or whatever…systems by which whatever evidence is given to a person, he merely adapts it into his ideology."

BRIAN: Look. You've got it all wrong. You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves. You're all ndividuals!
<DT>FOLLOWERS: Yes, we're all individuals! <DT>BRIAN: You're all different! <DT>FOLLOWERS: Yes, we are all different! <DT>DENNIS: I'm not. <DT>FOLLOWERS: Shh. Shhhh. Shhh. <DT>BRIAN: You've all got to work it out for yourselves! <DT>FOLLOWERS: Yes! We've got to work it out for ourselves! <DT>BRIAN: Exactly! <DT>FOLLOWERS: Tell us more! <DT>BRIAN: No! That's the point! Don't let anyone tell you what to do! Otherwise-- Ow! No! <DT>MANDY: Come on, Brian. That's enough. That's enough. </DT>

 

[vraiblonde]

Huh. I thought for sure...

Anyway, the Muslims invaded first, conquering land and enslaving the people, and the Christians finally decided enough was enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Which is not to say that the Christian crusaders were these perfect angels, but the fact is that they were defending themselves against Muslim aggression and domination.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Did I not insert enough question marks for your taste? I am just confused as to your stand on the issue - but your lack of answer is enough of an answer for me.

OK. If I miss interpreted your intent, I apologize. I have not been in the best of moods lately and have not taken well to perceived antagonism.

Try this. The Old Testament is divided into three parts: The Law, The Prophets, and The Hagiographa. There are specific instances where death is the correct punishment, certain crimes as outlined in the Bible, which, according to the divisions of the Old Testament, was the law for the Israelites, just as we have the death penalty for certain crimes in our law in the United States.

Killing during war is different than murder. Some don't see it that way, but the distinction is made in the Bible and in our law.

God directed the Israelites to go to war against certain groups of people through His prophets. When He did, the outcome was always the same, the Israelites won. In certain portions of the Old Testament, the Israelites wage war against a people that they were not directed to go against. They would lose in these instances.

Do I personally think war is good? No. Do I think it is sometimes necessary? Yes. Do I think it is sometimes divinely ordained? Yes.

Do I personally think murder is good? No. Do I think it is sometimes necessary? No. Do I think it is sometimes divinely ordained? No, with one exception. God ordained the murder of Jesus to fulfill His plan of salvation.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Huh. I thought for sure...

Anyway, the Muslims invaded first, conquering land and enslaving the people, and the Christians finally decided enough was enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Which is not to say that the Christian crusaders were these perfect angels, but the fact is that they were defending themselves against Muslim aggression and domination.

Sort of. The crusaders were defending the Middle East Christians against slaughter by the Muslims in many, but not all, of the crusades. The crusades were not particularly successful. As I remember my reading, at least one time, the local Christians ran out to welcome the crusaders and were killed by mistake.

 

[Tonio]

Killing during war is different than murder. Some don't see it that way, but the distinction is made in the Bible and in our law.

God directed the Israelites to go to war against certain groups of people through His prophets. When He did, the outcome was always the same, the Israelites won. In certain portions of the Old Testament, the Israelites wage war against a people that they were not directed to go against. They would lose in these instances.

This from your original post: "But then again, some people were ordered destroyed by God in the Old Testament; inhabitants of Jericho, Philistines, etc." To me, that doesn't sound like war between two opposing armies. That sounds like genocide, the wholesale slaughter of men, women and children. No belief system should justify someone's death simply because they belong to a different ethnic group or a different belief system.