The Duke rape case gets more interesting....

[Larry Gude]

First off...

That was brilliant;

Just being a whore, does not make one a dancer".

Second, this case is a balloon...

Just because the media is conveniently whitewashing this woman's real occupation doesn't mean the grand jury will.

...being subjected to huge pressure; the prosecutors reputation, the woman's reputation, the players, their families, the U, the media's whoring, err, exotic journalism, sorry there, and this latent Al Sharpton complex people seem to have with reality; just because nothing happened it doesn't mean it could not of happened and my personal paradigm and prejudices dictates that we treat this as though it happened...because it happened to someone long ago and they never got justice therefore it is only fair that, seeings how someone did not get prosecuted for something they did, in this case we should prosecute someone for something they didn't do.

It's about to pop and deflate in a flash because you can only take a lie so far and, suddenly, the media will be off whoring...dammit...escorting...I MEAN journalisming somewhere else (wherever the money is).

 

[FromTexas]

Ok, so say she is an escort. Still didn't deserve to be raped.

Who said she was raped?

 

[morganj614]

Ok, so say she is an escort. Still didn't deserve to be raped.

You're saying the boys are guilty before the trial.

 

[camily]

Who said she was raped?

Well, two guys were arrested, and she said she was. Good enough for me for now. I'm not by any means saying she was, I'm just saying that I wasn't there and isn't it entirely possible she was??? Why assume she wasn't?

 

[camily]

You're saying the boys are guilty before the trial.

Not at all, just that it is possible.

 

[morganj614]

Well, two guys were arrested, and she said she was. Good enough for me for now. I'm not by any means saying she was, I'm just saying that I wasn't there and isn't it entirely possible she was??? Why assume she wasn't?

Innocent until PROVEN guilty in this country says so

 

[vraiblonde]

Ok, so say she is an escort. Still didn't deserve to be raped.

If you have some evidence that this woman was raped, I know a guy in NC that would love to hear from you. Because he has none and he's trying desperately to make a case out of thin air.

 

[vraiblonde]

Well, two guys were arrested, and she said she was.

Tawana Brawley said she was raped, and Steven Pagones was arrested. Doesn't make it any less of a lie.

 

[MMDad]

If you have some evidence that this woman was raped, I know a guy in NC that would love to hear from you. Because he has none and he's trying desperately to make a case out of thin air.

Actually, a Grand Jury says he does have enough evidence, so in a way Camily is right. There's a possibility that she really was raped. I don't believe it, but it's possible.

And before we discount the Grand Jury, it was a Grand Jury that cleared the cops who shot Lyles, and their opinion was good enough for most of us here.

 

[bresamil]

Actually, a Grand Jury says he does have enough evidence, so in a way Camily is right. There's a possibility that she really was raped. I don't believe it, but it's possible.

And before we discount the Grand Jury, it was a Grand Jury that cleared the cops who shot Lyles, and their opinion was good enough for most of us here.

That makes sense.

I'm not going either way with this until more information comes out. I'm not quick to accuse her of lying or to accuse them of rape. As long as the possibility exists, it warrants investigation.

 

[Larry Gude]

Let's get our terms straight here...

Actually, a Grand Jury says he does have enough evidence, so in a way Camily is right. There's a possibility that she really was raped. I don't believe it, but it's possible.

And before we discount the Grand Jury, it was a Grand Jury that cleared the cops who shot Lyles, and their opinion was good enough for most of us here.

...a great many things are possible and the grand jury isn't proceeding on possibilities; it is proceeding PROBABILITIES.

They are saying it is probable that something criminal occured.

Some of us are arguing it is PROBABLE that she was raped.

Some are arguing it is probable that she was not.

Let's get that straight and concur on terms before Bill Clinton shows up and we can't even agree what rape means.

 

[Larry Gude]

Sigh....

That makes sense.

I'm not going either way with this until more information comes out. I'm not quick to accuse her of lying or to accuse them of rape. As long as the PROBABILITY exists, it warrants investigation.

fixee fixee...

 

[bresamil]

I thought he debated about the real meaning of "is".

 

[Pandora]

This is the age of the digital camera - it's not odd at all that photos would be timestamped. It makes since that, because there were going to be strippers, that some of the kids would bring cameras.

What DOESN'T make sense is how they can make arrests with no proof that a crime was committed other than the "word" of a hooker/stripper.

They keep referring to her as an "exotic dancer", which is starting to piss me off. It's an obvious attempt to sanitize her.

I understand that and know technology does have a huge role in having these things being available to them, however, if I was representing these men in a case, the fact that time stamped photos are in their possession should not have been released to the media. Now, they will be scrutinized and questioned as to why they surfaced and you and I know that digital photographs can be altered.

The guys are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but if it comes out in anyway shape or form that this woman lied, she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent allowable.

We live in a “get rich quick” world and one way to get that is to sue, sue sue, so I think she went there, realized who these men were, and she is now shaking the money tree, and couple her story with an overzealous prosecutor and you have the making of a smear mission. One that involves sex and what is the WORST thing you could do to anybody? Put them in the middle of a sex scandle.

 

[vraiblonde]

Actually, a Grand Jury says he does have enough evidence, so in a way Camily is right.

Have they gone before a Grand Jury yet? I thought they just got arrested and were posting bail, and that happened before the Grand Jury got involved.

Edumacate me!

 

[Midnightrider]

What makes sense is, the DA is up for re-election in about three weeks, and he's hoping for the black vote to take him over the top..

I actually thought the same thing when the DA was giving a speach at the "victims" school the day the unofficial DNA resluts were leaked by the defense. But if you look at the demographics:
The racial makeup of the county was 78.05% White, 13.79% Black or African American, 0.39% Native American, 4.10% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 1.96% from other races, and 1.71% from two or more races. 4.46% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

I don't think that approach would make much sense. Even if you could get all of the black voters on your side, i would think you would alienate at least that many of the white voters.

 

[Midnightrider]

Have they gone before a Grand Jury yet? I thought they just got arrested and were posting bail, and that happened before the Grand Jury got involved.

Edumacate me!

The indictments, unsealed Tuesday, did not indicate what possible evidence or arguments led the grand jury Monday to indict Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty, both 20. District Attorney Mike Nifong would not discuss the evidence.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_sp_co_ne/duke_lacrosse

 

[donbarzini]

Vrai

The Grand Jury convened and returned a true bill yesterday. It was sealed and then thetwo young men were arrested. And just to be a bigger pain in the @$$, you do not need "proof" to make an arrest, you merely need "probable cause".

 

[vraiblonde]

Vrai

The Grand Jury convened and returned a true bill yesterday. It was sealed and then thetwo young men were arrested. And just to be a bigger pain in the @$$, you do not need "proof" to make an arrest, you merely need "probable cause".

Okay, got it. I thought arrest came before the Grand Jury hearing to determine whether the case should go to trial.

 

[itsbob]

I actually thought the same thing when the DA was giving a speach at the "victims" school the day the unofficial DNA resluts were leaked by the defense. But if you look at the demographics:
The racial makeup of the county was 78.05% White, 13.79% Black or African American, 0.39% Native American, 4.10% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 1.96% from other races, and 1.71% from two or more races. 4.46% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

I don't think that approach would make much sense. Even if you could get all of the black voters on your side, i would think you would alienate at least that many of the white voters.

78% white.. but what percent of them are going to go out and vote for ANY DA?? 10%? 20%?? and how many if they don't have any interest 5- 8%?? You get behind a cause for any particular group of people (doesn't have to be raced based) they come out in much higher numbers, say 60 - 75% voter turnout compared to 10 - 20%..

SO if you only have 7% of the interested white voters come out that represents a little less then 5% of the population, get a fire started under the black voters and you get 70% of them to come out and vote that represents 7% of the population.. You win!!.

What if the race is close say 48 -50% as far as the white voters go, then the BLACK voters are the king makers.. the white voters have negated themselves out of importance.