The Duke rape case gets more interesting....

Midnightrider

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itsbob said:
78% white.. but what percent of them are going to go out and vote for ANY DA?? 10%? 20%?? and how many if they don't have any interest 5- 8%?? You get behind a cause for any particular group of people (doesn't have to be raced based) they come out in much higher numbers, say 60 - 75% voter turnout compared to 10 - 20%..

SO if you only have 7% of the interested white voters come out that represents a little less then 5% of the population, get a fire started under the black voters and you get 70% of them to come out and vote that represents 7% of the population.. You win!!.

What if the race is close say 48 -50% as far as the white voters go, then the BLACK voters are the king makers.. the white voters have negated themselves out of importance.
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I agree that there could be instances where this could help the DA, but it seems to me like you would alienate as many if not more white voters. So the black voters could tip the scale, but it would be a huge risk to bank on it.
 
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carolinagirl

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Midnightrider said:
I actually thought the same thing when the DA was giving a speach at the "victims" school the day the unofficial DNA resluts were leaked by the defense. But if you look at the demographics:
The racial makeup of the county was 78.05% White, 13.79% Black or African American, 0.39% Native American, 4.10% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 1.96% from other races, and 1.71% from two or more races. 4.46% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

I don't think that approach would make much sense. Even if you could get all of the black voters on your side, i would think you would alienate at least that many of the white voters.
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Where did you get the racial demographics from? It sounds a bit off to me.
 
Midnightrider

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vraiblonde said:
I thought Duke was in Durham?
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for some reason when i did the duke search it came back with Orange,
looks like the Demo for durham makes the DA look like he is playing to one side.
Its about 50% white, makes a huge difference.
I thought i remembered hearing the town duke was in was actually more black than white.....
 
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carolinagirl

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vraiblonde said:
I thought Duke was in Durham?
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It is in Durham (city and county).

White persons, percent, 2000 (a) 50.9%
Black or African American persons, percent, 2000 (a) 39.5%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2000 (a) 0.3%
Asian persons, percent, 2000 (a) 3.3%
White persons, not of Hispanic/Latino origin, percent, 2000 48.1%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2000 (b) 7.6%

These figures are more accurate. Durham has a very large black and hispanic population. However, it tends to lean liberal when it comes to voting, also.

Personally, I don't recall democrats, which is what Nifong is, ever had a problem with the black vote in Durham County. I think the bigger issue is that Nifong has some big shoes to fill from his predecessor, Jim Harding, who was appointed by Gov. Easley to a Superior Court Judgeship recently. Harding, also a democrat, had been DA since 1994 and he also handled the Peterson trial.
 
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carolinagirl

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Midnightrider said:
for some reason when i did the duke search it came back with Orange,
looks like the Demo for durham makes the DA look like he is playing to one side.
Its about 50% white, makes a huge difference.
I thought i remembered hearing the town duke was in was actually more black than white.....
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Duke is not a town it is just the University and the population in and around the University is largely white. However, NC Central sits on 10 -15 minutes from Duke and is largely black as is most of the rest of the County. The crime rate in Durham County has been compared to DC's crime rate.
 
Midnightrider

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carolinagirl said:
Duke is not a town it is just the University and the population in and around the University is largely white. However, NC Central sits on 10 -15 minutes from Duke and is largely black as is most of the rest of the County. The crime rate in Durham County has been compared to DC's crime rate.
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that makes a huge difference inthe DA's apparent motives, but i don't think it really changes the real question, if the girl is lying or not. Which i am reserving judgement on, as i have said in the past, if she is lying then its a travesty and she should be punished, but she shouldn't be ignored b/c she goes to the wrong school either.
Obviously we aren't getting all of the story, either from the prosecutor, or the defense. We will just have to wait to see how it all turns out.
 
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carolinagirl

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Midnightrider said:
that makes a huge difference inthe DA's apparent motives, but i don't think it really changes the real question, if the girl is lying or not. Which i am reserving judgement on, as i have said in the past, if she is lying then its a travesty and she should be punished, but she shouldn't be ignored b/c she goes to the wrong school either.
Obviously we aren't getting all of the story, either from the prosecutor, or the defense. We will just have to wait to see how it all turns out.
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Agreed, I am waiting to see the story unfold. One thing that came to my mind originally when the defense attorneys were talking about her being drunk and stumbling, I immediately thought about the date rape drug. I think it is even more of a possibility that it was used after reading about the other dancer's observations. I wonder if someone at the party gave her a drink with the drug in it, which cause the stumbling and the passing out in the car as the officer observed.
 
cdsulhoff

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camily said:
Not all rape cases have DNA evidence. Obviously there is sufficient evidence to make an arrest. Remember, we do not have all the facts. I'm positive there is info they are keeping to themselves. I for one, do not find it hard to believe that she was raped by a bunch of drunken college boys. Just being a dancer, does not make one a whore , liar, or someone who deserved it.
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No! Being a dancer does not make you a whore, liar or someone who deserved it.. However, putting yourself in that type of situation without protection is just plain stupid and you get what you reap when you act on stupidity. Which I believe she acted stupidly that night. What makes her stupid is that she went into a house filled with drunken rich spoiled guys with full intention to take her clothes without protecting herself i.e. mace, bodyguard, and the ultimate a gun or at least a tazer. What on earth was she think in going into the house lets say the guy didn't do anything at all and they are the sweetest guy she has no clue who they are and she is putting herself in harms way.. All I can think is why? Why would you even agree to go into the house? She really did put her life in risk. Think of what the worst could have been. One of them could have killed her.. All because of lack of judgement... As of now I am leaning towards the Lax players. need to see more evidence to sway me to the other side.
This is what her mother need to do to her :smack: :smack: :smack: :wench: :buttkick: :bonk: :bonk:
 
cdsulhoff

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vraiblonde said:
Try "Just being a whore, does not make one a dancer".

SHE IS NOT A FREAKIN' DANCER!!!! :banghead:

She is an "escort" and this was her first time "dancing" for a group. She said so herself in her police statement.

Just because the media is conveniently whitewashing this woman's real occupation doesn't mean the grand jury will.
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actually she worked for an Escort service which you are right but others are right as well. according to http://crime.blogs.com/tre/2006/03/strippers_and_j.html
"She is an African American woman with two children attending North Carolina Central University supporting herself and children by dancing naked for men at private parties and working as an escort three days a week".
So she worked for a escort service where she dance naked for men...

Now my question is this What service did she worked for to let her go alone with no bodyguard... :confused:
Hold on she had another girl with her.. My bad I forgot that.
 
cdsulhoff

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Two women reported to the house just before midnight to perform exotic dances for approximately 40 or so drunk and rowdy partiers. http://crime.blogs.com/tre/2006/03/strippers_and_j.html

This proves how much of a risk she and the other girl put themselves into..and if they worked at a escort company how much of a risk they put the girls in...

The one thing I do not get is that when she called 911 she only told them about the racial slur made against her and her friend.. Now if she was raped don't you think both would have been raped, secondly don't you think she would have mention it in the 911 call she made... HELLO!!! Makes no sense..
here is something else that was mention in this article.
"At 12:53AM one of the two women called in to 911 to report that they had been called ******s, a racial slur that doesn't sit too well, especially if it comes from the mouths of privileged white boys. The caller said that they were not hurt. The caller was also doing her best to hold back her tears". http://crime.blogs.com/tre/2006/03/strippers_and_j.html
Her call to 911 just do not make any sense at all. Why would she call about the racial slurs without mentions that she was assaulted... Why did she wait??

I think this explains it all "At the very least this case is about a proud, angry black woman that was made fun of and called a ###### and is seeking revenge."
 
camily

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cdsulhoff said:
No! Being a dancer does not make you a whore, liar or someone who deserved it.. However, putting yourself in that type of situation without protection is just plain stupid and you get what you reap when you act on stupidity. Which I believe she acted stupidly that night. What makes her stupid is that she went into a house filled with drunken rich spoiled guys with full intention to take her clothes without protecting herself i.e. mace, bodyguard, and the ultimate a gun or at least a tazer. What on earth was she think in going into the house lets say the guy didn't do anything at all and they are the sweetest guy she has no clue who they are and she is putting herself in harms way.. All I can think is why? Why would you even agree to go into the house? She really did put her life in risk. Think of what the worst could have been. One of them could have killed her.. All because of lack of judgement... As of now I am leaning towards the Lax players. need to see more evidence to sway me to the other side.
This is what her mother need to do to her :smack: :smack: :smack: :wench: :buttkick: :bonk: :bonk:
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Being stupid does not give someone the right to hold you down and brutaly rape you. NOT saying she was, just arguing your point that lack of better judgement brought this on. No still means no, and by the way, if you have sex with someone not able to say no (such as being passed out drunk) it is also rape. Also, you have no idea what is going on in this womans life. Maybe she is a real piece of shiat, maybe not. Who are we to judge why she chose to dance/whore etc.? Regardless of whether she or any woman takes their clothes of for a living, likes to party, whatever, they don't "deserve" to be raped. Maybe it is incredibly stupid to do what she did but lets not act as if none of us have done stupid things.
 
vraiblonde

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This just on Fox:

One of the guys arrested wasn't even AT the party when this hooker says she was raped. He was at an ATM machine getting some cash and it is well documented. He not only has a timestamp from when he removed the money, but they've got him on the security camera as well.

Ain't that some #### when you can be arrested and become the target of a nationwide witchhunt just because a whore says you raped her, even though she has no evidence and can't even get her story straight?
 
vraiblonde

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camily said:
Maybe it is incredibly stupid to do what she did but lets not act as if none of us have done stupid things.
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I have never taken my clothes off for a group of college lacrosse players - have you?

At some point people have to be responsible for their own behavior.

AND I doubt she even had racial slurs screamed at her. One of the players is black and I can't imagine he would just stand there and not say anything while this was going on.
 
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