The Letter of 138 Muslim scholars to the Pope and Christian Leaders

[Xaquin44]

they're the same guy.

People just believe different things about him.

 

[Starman3000m]

they're the same guy.

People just believe different things about him.

There is only One True description of Jesus. Just as in the case of there being Only One God - people believe different things about Him also. However, only ONE Description of who God is can be True.

Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God and Saviour of mankind whose shed Blood atones for your sins and mine?

 

[Xaquin44]

Do you believe Jesus was the Son of God and Saviour of mankind whose shed Blood atones for your sins and mine?

don't know .... like everyone else in the world, I've never met him.

I mean there have been thousands of different book by thousands of different people on the subject. None of them know either.

All I feel, is that he was probably a stand up nice kid of guy that probably wouldn't want every tom, dick, and jane telling other people what he said (since none of them knew him).

but hey, that's me.

 

[Starman3000m]

don't know .... like everyone else in the world, I've never met him.

I mean there have been thousands of different book by thousands of different people on the subject. None of them know either.

All I feel, is that he was probably a stand up nice kid of guy that probably wouldn't want every tom, dick, and jane telling other people what he said (since none of them knew him).

but hey, that's me.

But - wouldn't you like to know the Truth about Jesus? If He was willing to include you in God's Forgiveness through His Blood Atonement would you not want to know if that is true or not?

 

[Xaquin44]

But - wouldn't you like to know the Truth about Jesus? If He was willing to include you in God's Forgiveness through His Blood Atonement would you not want to know if that is true or not?

oh sure, I'd like to know the truth .... however I doubt he'll personally tell me. Since there is no concrete evidence, I'll just keep on going like I am and be fine.

 

[Starman3000m]

oh sure, I'd like to know the truth .... however I doubt he'll personally tell me. Since there is no concrete evidence, I'll just keep on going like I am and be fine.

If you are sincere in wanting to know the Truth then God will reveal that to you as you earnestly seek to know about Forgiveness through Jesus.

God is not willing that anyone should perish but that we come to repentance and ask Him for Forgiveness and Divine Guidance. God establishes a spiritual relationship whereby one becomes a "child of God" through faith in Jesus' Atonement. God did that for mankind because while we were yet caught up in our sins, wayward ways and separated from God He still loved us enough to find a way for us to be reconciled with Him. Jesus' mission was for that purpose - to give His Life as the acceptable Atonement unto God.

God has an enemy that wants people to believe otherwise so as to reject and/or not believe that Jesus is the Saviour of mankind.

As mentioned before, it is the Holy Spirit of God that is sent into the world and will testify God's Truth about Jesus. The Bible states that we do not need a man to teach us because the Holy Spirit reveals God's Truth to those who are sincere in seeking to know Him. And, yes, God knows when one is sincere in wanting to know the Truth.

 

[Starman3000m]

Ok i think its semantics we're arguing (not belittling your point). I agree (kinda) but there are 3 possible scenarios (that i can think of) Either he was :

• Jesus - Was Son of God and Saviour
• Jesus - Was a Prophet
• Jesus - Was a Man (maybe great but not a Prophet)

One of those is correct.

• If you feel he was a Saviour, Christians do you think this is how he'd want his followers to act?
• If you think he's a Prophet, Muslims do you think this is how he felt God wanted you his followers to act?

The New Testament Jesus rebuked the Orthodox religious leaders who gave more importance on having people follow rituals, traditions and self-imposed rules and regulations rather than have a heart for loving and worshipping God.

Yes, Jesus would want His followers to point out the errors of any religious ideology that teaches people can earn their own way to heaven by works and religiousity.

The New Testament Jesus would want His followers to warn others about the danger in rejecting and/or disbelieving in His Atonement that provides God's Forgiveness and Salvation through faith in Him alone.

The New Testament Jesus is The Resurrected Son of God whose shed blood atones for your sins and mine Nucklesack.

The New Testament Jesus is the Messiah who will stop the armies of antiChrist from destroying Israel and who will establish a millennial reign of God's Peace on Earth and rule from Jerusalem, as prophesied in the Holy Bible.

Which Jesus do you believe to be True?

 

[Xaquin44]

"The New Testament Jesus rebuked the Orthodox religious leaders who gave more importance on having people follow rituals, traditions and self-imposed rules and regulations rather than have a heart for loving and worshipping God."

coughchurchservicescough

 

[Starman3000m]

I've stated many-a-time i believe, if there was a Jesus, he was a man

Moses was a man.
Muhammad was a man.

The New Testament Jesus was a perfect, sinless man with the Divine nature of being the Only Begotten Son of God whose shed Blood Atones for the sins of mankind. The New Testament Jesus is the Mediator between God and mankind whereby God sees us as Forgiven and spiritually reconciled with Him through Jesus.

You are not alone in your belief that Jesus was only a man but if it is True that Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour of mankind would you not want to change your mind?

 

[Starman3000m]

"The New Testament Jesus rebuked the Orthodox religious leaders who gave more importance on having people follow rituals, traditions and self-imposed rules and regulations rather than have a heart for loving and worshipping God."

coughchurchservicescough

Exactly! Know you get Jesus' point regarding religious leaders who claim they are speaking for God but in reality are nothing but self-serving businesses who have turned "God's House into a den of thieves" - as Jesus stated.

 

[Starman3000m]

Folks,

Wishing all a safe and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
Gotta leave for the day and plan to be back on Monday.

Regards

 

[2ndAmendment]

and christians are allowed to lie cheat steal and molest children as long as they have jesus in their hearts when they die.......

you really work hard at your religious bigotry

You are so wrong.

Matthew 7:15-23

15"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?

17"So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.

18"A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.

19"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

20"So then, you will know them by their fruits.

21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

 

[2ndAmendment]

looking at all the evidence we have, I'd say none of the above (lol, above .... get it?!).

You believe in God or so you said; just not in organized religion. But you don't believe in God. You certainly are confused.

 

[2ndAmendment]

oohh ooohhhh my turn!

In other words, YOU Starman reject Jesus Christ because some guy said he'd give you $50.00 and a coupon for a free Whopper (with purchase of any value meal at participating locations)!

hehe

I love making up things and writing 'In other words' in front of it.

You are proving yourself to be very non conversant with your railings. Your are doing nothing more than ridiculing and personally attacking. I thought you were a person of thought?

 

[2ndAmendment]

WOW, i misunderstand jesus' message sounds like you are the one wrapped around the axle on this one.

people have been claiming the end is near since there was a beginning, i think you should lock your scarred little azz in the basement until the rapture

I think many people including those like you will be tragically surprised, and it will be too late. When? I don't know. I do know the signs, and they are starting to happen more frequently.

Matthew 24:32-51

32"Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near;

33so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.

34"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

35"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

37"For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.

38"For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,

39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

40"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.

41"Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

42"Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.

43"But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into.

44"For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

45"Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time?

46"Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.

47"Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.

48"But if that evil slave says in his heart, 'My master is not coming for a long time,'

49and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards;

50the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know,

51and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Hmmmm I don't see love for your neighbors, peace, tolerance or forgiveness in there.

I must be rusty on the old bible, cause I could have sworn that was in there too.

You make Jesus sound paranoid.

You will find love for your neighbors, peace, forgiveness, and instructions to show tolerance for believers.

Ephesians 4:1-7

1Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called,

2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love,

3being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;

5one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

7But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift.

That tolerance is allowing each person to grow in Jesus; we crawl; we walk; we run. But there is absolutely no tolerance for those that do not accept Jesus as Savior and Lord and absolutely no tolerance for sin.

Love is there for all, but a good father will correct his child even though he loves the child. It is the same with God. He loves us all, but He has His way and has given us instruction in His way. We are free to accept or reject.

So I guess you are rusty on the Bible.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I sugest you reread it (but this time don't only focus on the bad).

I've said this before, but apparently I like to practice typing.

If you pick and choose from either book you can make any statement about either true.

Both good and bad.

The point is to read either in context. Don't pick and choose. A verse out of context is the basis of most miss statements about the Bible.

 

[2ndAmendment]

we'll be fine.

Or not.

 

[2ndAmendment]

and who gave us free will?

If god didn't expect people to think for themselves then he shouldn't have let us have free will.

That is not the reason for free will.

If a person has a mental defect so that they can only love you, does their love have any meaning? No. There is not an alternative.

God loves us and wants us to love Him. He created mankind to be His companion. But love without the ability to not love is meaningless, so God gave us free will to choose to love Him or not. He specifies that if we love Him, we will keep His commandments. This concept is in both the Old and New Testaments.

Because God first loved us, He knew that we could not keep His commandments all the time. He came as Jesus to live as a man but do so without sin. Jesus is the only sinless human. That is why Jesus' death on the cross is the only sacrifice needed for our forgiveness. His death, if He was only a man, would be no more meaningful than the death of any other person on a Roman cross. But He rose from the dead as a promise of eternal life to those that accept His forgiveness.

His resurrection is a fact of history. He showed Himself to more than 500 people before His assumption into heaven. Our delineation of time is based on His life. Humans are forgetful. How many people know who their great grand parents are? Humans can't remember much. The account of Jesus and His life was written in the New Testament. It is a testament - it is written testimony much like a court deposition.

We have free will to believe or not believe, to love or not love God.

 

[2ndAmendment]

So Jesus said that Jesus is the truth

well what if Xaquin said Xaquin is the one truth

is that ok?

I mean anyone can claim anything about anything and that doesn't make it truth.

Die and see if you can come back to life. Then we may believe Xaquin's truth. Until you do that, you are blowing hot air.