The Letter of 138 Muslim scholars to the Pope and Christian Leaders

Xaquin44

Xaquin44

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weird how according to you most muslims are reading their book wrong, because you want so badly for the extremists to be the norm so you can hate them for not being like you.

It's their book .... and like christians, they know how to read it and live in peace because of it.
 
Starman3000m

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Xaquin44 said:
weird how according to you most muslims are reading their book wrong, because you want so badly for the extremists to be the norm so you can hate them for not being like you.

It's their book .... and like christians, they know how to read it and live in peace because of it.
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Islam keeps Muslims from knowing true peace and receiving God's Plan of Salvation through Jesus. Islam teaches that Jesus was not the Son of God nor Saviour of mankind as Muhammad has precedence over Jesus.

I pray for Muslims to know the True Jesus of the New Testament through which they would really find the True God of Creation and be able to receive forgiveness and Salvation that they are seeking from the Islamic god, Allah.
 
Xaquin44

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Starman3000m said:
Islam keeps Muslims from knowing true peace and receiving God's Plan of Salvation through Jesus. Islam teaches that Jesus was not the Son of God nor Saviour of mankind as Muhammad has precedence over Jesus.

I pray for Muslims to know the True Jesus of the New Testament through which they would really find the True God of Creation and be able to receive forgiveness and Salvation that they are seeking from the Islamic god, Allah.
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The vast majority of them are just as peaceful as the vast majority of us. There are more people who believe in their god then your god. Who cares if they don't believe in the same god as you (even though they mostly do) as long as they believe in peace (like Jesus did!)?
 
Starman3000m

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Xaquin44 said:
The vast majority of them are just as peaceful as the vast majority of us. There are more people who believe in their god then your god. Who cares if they don't believe in the same god as you (even though they mostly do) as long as they believe in peace (like Jesus did!)?
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I agree with what you say - except for when it comes to the fact that many religions do not believe in receiving God's Plan of Salvation through the New Testament Jesus.

If Jesus is truly the Son of God and Saviour of mankind who shed His blood to atone for your sins and mine, then the only way to receive Salvation is by placing faith and trust in Him alone.

All other faiths either lead followers away from Jesus or demote Jesus and deny His Deity. Those are the religions who teach that an individual can "earn their own salvation" just by doing good works and being an avid and devout member of their specific group. This is true of most organized religions including some larger ones who claim to be "Christian".
 
tommyjones

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Starman3000m said:
I agree with what you say - except for when it comes to the fact that many religions do not believe in receiving God's Plan of Salvation through the New Testament Jesus.

If Jesus is truly the Son of God and Saviour of mankind who shed His blood to atone for your sins and mine, then the only way to receive Salvation is by placing faith and trust in Him alone.

All other faiths either lead followers away from Jesus or demote Jesus and deny His Deity. Those are the religions who teach that an individual can "earn their own salvation" just by doing good works and being an avid and devout member of their specific group. This is true of most organized religions including some larger ones who claim to be "Christian".
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maybe, just maybe they are right and jesus was just a man who preached tolerance and love.

and maybe they are wrong, but either way its the same GOD, the one that your religion has promoted to be god's son and quasi god is the exception, not the norm among religions
 
Starman3000m

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Nucklesack said:
Really, have you talked to Eric Rudolph, Paul Hill or Clayton Waagner. And to defuse your rebuttal, here are some post 2000 Abortion Clinic CHRISTIAN terrorists 2003 2003 2004 2005 2006 2006 (sorry this one was against a sex shop) 2006

India wants to know when your going to have a chat with the National Liberation Front of Tripura

When do you plan on teaching the word to the Freedomites of Canada ?

Obviously you didnt talk to the Christian Fanatics in Jakarta, 17 of them were convicted of Preaching the "Word" to 2 Muslim fishermen (they beheaded them). This was after Christians killed hundreds of Muslims in Poso.

But hey the Army of God regales as being classified as a Christian Terrorist organiztion Link

You tell us how that diatribe is any different than a Radical Islamic Cleric

And that isnt even touching on the KKK, another Christian terrorist organization.

You'll excuse, deny or mitigate the above examples, you've done that already. But once again if your going to condemn the followers of one belief for its radicals then you need to apply that standard to your own.

When in reality all the Fanatical Terrorists, of all Beliefs are more aptly described as religiously inspired terrorists and not the Fundamental beliefs of the religion. Some can see that, you seem to have problems with it.
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OK. You've stated your view. Now, please read the Qur'an and Ahadith in the accurate context of what is expected of faithful Muslims. Then compare those to the New Testament teachings of Jesus whose only command is to have His followers share that He is the Son of God and Saviour of mankind -something that Islam denies. As far as the KKK and all other extreme "Christian-Right" groups they have their agenda which is defintely not in agreement with Jesus' teachings nor God's Plan of Salvation.

Recall that Jesus said many would call Him Lord and claim they did things in His name and He will say to them - "Depart from me, you workers of iniquity, I never knew you."

The message of Jesus is simple: He paid the penalty for your sins and mine and through Him we receive God's forgiveness and eternal salvation. But, I see that you don't believe that either. sigh! Can't say you were never told.
 
Starman3000m

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tommyjones said:
maybe, just maybe they are right and jesus was just a man who preached tolerance and love.

and maybe they are wrong, but either way its the same GOD, the one that your religion has promoted to be god's son and quasi god is the exception, not the norm among religions
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If it is the same God then one of the groups is making Him out to be a liar.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Saviour of mankind whose atoning blood pays for your sins and mine and the Messiah who will restore true peace on earth and etsablish a Millennial reign from Jerusalem.

Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God.

So I ask you - Which do you believe about Jesus? Son of God or not?

There is Only One Truth in this matter.
 
Xaquin44

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Starman3000m said:
If it is the same God then one of the groups is making Him out to be a liar.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Saviour of mankind whose atoning blood pays for your sins and mine and the Messiah who will restore true peace on earth and etsablish a Millennial reign from Jerusalem.

Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God.

So I ask you - Which do you believe about Jesus? Son of God or not?

There is Only One Truth in this matter.
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and no one knows it =)

were you there?

I wasn't.

That guy over there wasn't.

In fact, no english speaking person was there.

but anyways, the only two people who know the 'truth' are god and Jesus. and neither of them are telling.
 
Starman3000m

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Xaquin44 said:
and no one knows it =)

were you there?

I wasn't.

That guy over there wasn't.

In fact, no english speaking person was there.

but anyways, the only two people who know the 'truth' are god and Jesus. and neither of them are telling.
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WRONG! Jesus stated that He would send His Holy Spirit to witness the Truth about who He is.
In fact, in the New Testament, Jesus said that it was necessary for Him to return to the Father (after He had appeared in His resurrected body) so that the Holy Spirit could be sent to live in the lives of those who accept His atonement. The Holy Spirit is God's indwelling power in the life of born-again believers and is the strength that brings true peace and a life-changing journey in the life of followers of Jesus. It is the spiritual reconciliation with God that can only happen through asking Jesus to be the Lord of your life and admitting that your good is not good enough to merit Salvation.

That is available to you and the entire world - each must decide where they stand with God - with or without Jesus.
 
Xaquin44

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Starman3000m said:
WRONG! Jesus stated that He would send His Holy Spirit to witness the Truth about who He is.
In fact, in the New Testament, Jesus said that it was necessary for Him to return to the Father (after He had appeared in His resurrected body) so that the Holy Spirit could be sent to live in the lives of those who accept His atonement. The Holy Spirit is God's indwelling power in the life of born-again believers and is the strength that brings true peace and a life-changing journey in the life of followers of Jesus. It is the spiritual reconciliation with God that can only happen through asking Jesus to be the Lord of your life and admitting that your good is not good enough to merit Salvation.

That is available to you and the entire world - each must decide where they stand with God - with or without Jesus.
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So Jesus said that Jesus is the truth

well what if Xaquin said Xaquin is the one truth

is that ok?

I mean anyone can claim anything about anything and that doesn't make it truth.
 
Starman3000m

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Xaquin44 said:
and who gave us free will?

If god didn't expect people to think for themselves then he shouldn't have let us have free will.
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God wanted to have people choose to love Him because they want to -NOT because they have to or were made to. This shows true sincerity in a person's desire to want to be led by God and admit that they need Him in their life. This decision has nothing to do with establishing a religious method of reaching God but reaching out to accept the spiritual relationship that God offers each person in order to be reconciled to Him through the Atoning Blood of the New Testament Jesus - Y'shua HaMashiach.
 
Starman3000m

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Nucklesack said:
I have read the Q'uran, same with the Bibles. There is like passages in both, you'll point to the New Testament but ignore that the Old Testament was used as the building block. Let us remember Jesus's words :
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Yes, Nucklesack, I believe you when you say that you have read the Qur'an and the Bibles.

Then you will know that there is a difference between the Jesus of the New Testament and the Jesus of the Qur'an.

The New Testament Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour of mankind through His atoning Blood.

The Qur'an teaches that Allah had no son. Islam teaches that the Islamic Jesus, Isa', will appear with al-Mahdi and will rebuke "Christians" for believing he was the Son of God and Isa' will break the cross and kill the swine.
Take that meaning for what its worth - but that's what Islam teaches.

So I ask this of you - which Jesus is the true Jesus: The New Testament Jesus, Son of God and Saviour of mankind or the Qur'anic Jesus (Isa') a lesser "prophet" than Muhammad and who was never really crucified on the cross????
 
Starman3000m

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Xaquin44 said:
trick question!

It's the Jesus with the hat.
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lol -

However, the right answer is the one that guarantees God's Promise of Forgiveness and Eternal Salvation for those who choose to accept and place faith in the Right Jesus. This is where God's Holy Spirit leads those who are sincere in seeking God to know His Truth about which Jesus is the True One;
Jesus of the New Testament or Isa' of the Qur'an. You choose which one to believe.
 
Starman3000m

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Nucklesack said:
My belief: Jesus in the Christian Bible and the Jesus in the Q'uran are the same guy, just different takes on who/what he was.

The Jewish faith has a different take than yours, in that he was a man (not clear if he was a prophet) and after Jesus/Yeshu died, "Nazarenes" after Jesus' hometown of Nazareth, became his followers.

Jesus' brother James, was head of the Nazarenes in Jerusalem until he was also executed by the Romans. The Nazarenes observed Jewish laws, and they believed that Jesus would return soon to inaugurate God's kingdom on earth. The Romans killed many Nazarenes, for being observant Jews, during the Jewish revolt. Jews believe Jesus was a founder of a religious movement, or more specifically of the sect of the Nazarenes within Judaism.

Jesus/Yeshu own brother didnt believe he was the Messiah

According to the Jewish (and Nazarenes) belief Jesus/Yeshu would be shocked that people today view him as the Messiah.

According to Judaism, Jesus was a Jewish man who was executed and later given divine status by the Christian church.
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Hmmm... you are evading the question. Jesus cannot be the "same guy" because the "guy" of the New Testament is The Son of God and Saviour of mankind. Salvation is attained by faith in Him alone. The Qur'anic "guy' has no such power to save nor is he the Son of God.

As far as the Jews - faith in Y'shua as Moshiach is what comprised 1st Century believers - all Jewish men, women and children.

Orthodox Jews and Muslims are still awaiting their "Messiah" to appear and bring peace - agreed they do not believe Jesus of the New Testament was that "guy" whose atonement has been accepted by God.

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To do For God. ( Muslims and Orthodox Jews don't believe that to be true - what do you believe? )
 
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