The Rittenhouse Incident

[PJay]

Not to change the subject but.. wow

BREAKING: Oklahoma Governor Stitt gives in to celebrity pressure from KimKardashian grants clemency to convicted murderer Julius Jones against the wishes of the family of his victim.

 

[Editor]

Now there's speculation that the prosecutors got the aerial drone footage by screen grabbing it off of the Tucker Carlson broadcast where it first aired after he paid for it. Recall also that the defense received a lower resolution copy than did the prosecutor, who provided it to the defense. This only came to light near the end of the trial.

If I understand it correctly, prosecution was saying the video showed up in their office anonymously one day. Now, it just came out that they knew who took the video, some guy from a local company. I think I heard something to the effect that the drone pilot said he didn't have a license to video in the area where the video was recorded. This guy's company was shutdown within 2 weeks of this mess coming to light. The key here is that you have to establish provenance for evidence. Who took the video, where, when and was it altered. Defense also needs to be able to examine the witness on the stand. Fault lies with the defense for not challenging the evidence when it was introduced.

Confusing. Be nice to understand all of the small pieces of this video --- especially since this is the one that might hang the defendant.

 

[Editor]

Mr. Rekieta, the attorney running this popular legal analysis stream since the trial started, said he was just on the Glenn Beck show. He said he let the audience know that in his opinion, the defense should be doing a lot better job than they are.

 

[Kyle]

Mr. Rekieta, the attorney running this popular legal analysis stream since the trial started, said he was just on the Glenn Beck show. He said he let the audience know that in his opinion, the defense should be doing a lot better job than they are.

The pitfall of free representation. You don't always get the best.

 

[Editor]

Looks like MSNBC kinda admitted it. I guess he was just following the bus around in case they got a flat and then he could render assistance?

"never photographed or intended to photograph them"

Well, did he have a camera with a long lens in the car?

 

[Editor]

The pitfall of free representation. You don't always get the best.

Kyle has a multi-million dollar defense fund. In my opinion and that of many other people, a group of grifters got their claws into the kid and his family and kept all of the top shelf attorneys away so they could cash in. There are dozens of interviews with Attorney Robert Barnes who laid the entire situation out. Barnes is a 1st class attorney who handles high profile cases. Barnes assembled a team of jury selection experts and made them available to the defense at no cost and Richards told them to stay away. Barnes says they just used his name for fund raising.

 

[Kyle]

Kyle has a multi-million dollar defense fund. In my opinion and that of many other people, a group of grifters got their claws into the kid and his family and kept all of the top shelf attorneys away so they could cash in. There are dozens of interviews with Attorney Robert Barnes who laid the entire situation out. Barnes is a 1st class attorney who handles high profile cases and even has the ear of Trump. Barnes assembled a team of jury selection experts and made them available to the defense at no cost and Richards told them to stay away. Barnes says they just used his name for fund raising.

I hope that's not really the case because theyre not deserving of that kind of loot.

 

[Editor]

 

[Editor]

I hope that's not really the case because theyre not deserving of that kind of loot.

Listen to a few minutes of this (Start at 18:49) from back in early Sep 2020. He is talking about Lin Wood and John Pierce, the early attorneys who are no longer around. There are other videos where he talks about Wood having no idea what he was doing in regards to getting Kyle out on bail --- notice that he never was released. Then there are documented issues with Pierce being sued by many people and having large debts, etc. It just goes on and on.

 

[Editor]

Listen to the first 90 seconds of this one. I am also trying to find the one where he talks about how Richards totally ****s up jury selection and ignores the 'dream team' of jury selection consultants Barnes put together at no cost to the defense.




This is why having an honest, non-partisan, and thorough news media is so important to democracy. Who heard any of this stuff in the media/news?

 

[TPD]

I would not want to be in Kyles shoes when it comes to finding an attorney. In the last 15 years I’ve needed an attorney twice that wasn’t a local. It took me days in each case to find an attorney and each time it was by luck only that I found one and they both turned out to be good attorneys. I can’t imagine being charged in a crime that could include a life sentence and with everything happening in the moment, trying to find an attorney that I can trust and one that knows his sh!t to keep me out of jail, all while figuring out how to pay for it. AND only being 17/18 years old. AND being a national figure on the news every night for weeks on end. I would not know where to begin the process for finding a lawyer in a case like this. It’s not like a job interview or new car shopping. So everyone complaining about Kyles attorneys need to take a step back and put yourself in his shoes.

 

[spr1975wshs]

Having faced four guys with just fists,

I am not afraid to back away when the odds are against me and I do not have self-defense implements upon my person.

Then again, last time I used my fists on someone, was at college in February 1978. Beat down a fellow cadet for saying vile things, which I knew were lies, about the young lady who later became my wife. He was in the hospital for a few weeks. I broke his nose, a couple ribs, collar bone and separated the shoulder on that side, too.

After that, Anita urged me to find other methods of exacting personal justice. She did not want me in jail.

The incident took place on campus and the police at the time let things that happened on campus, below the level of actual homicide, stay on campus. I was tried by a cadet court martial, who decided to throw out the charges with prejudice once they knew why I did the damage.

4 years ago the fellow contacted me and apologized for what he said back then. Also said he knew Anita would never forgive him. I told him the hatchet was buried between us and wished him well. He has been married as long and have Anita and I. His wife, kids and grandkids see him as a good man.

 

[Editor]

There's the end of Deliberation Day 3. There has been speculation I've seen here and there that there is a single woman who is holding up the other not guilty votes (not sure how anyone would know this to be fact). Some believe that the woman who asked to take the jury instructions home was her. Whoever she was, you know she is going to be on the google researching everything and I thought that was not allowed.

Now, its just a matter of how long until the others give up and they call a hung jury. If the holdout is the foreman, this might go on forever.

This is why jury selection is so critical and not to be glossed over.

 

[Editor]

I would not want to be in Kyles shoes when it comes to finding an attorney.

The problem is that there were plenty of top notch attorneys out there who were willing to help. However, a lawyer can not solicit a client to get their business. Allegedly, the grifters, whomever they may be, if they even exist, had the family wrapped in a cocoon preventing any 3rd parties from getting news to them that there were better people willing to help.

And let's not forget the millions of dollars that everyday people contributed for his defense and bail.

Furthermore, the current attorney accepted Barnes' offer to let his legal team help and used Barnes to help raise more funds. Then refused the assistance, to hear Barnes tell it.

The Rittenhouse family are not sophisticated people and they found themselves in an extreme situation with which they have no experience. I'm sure they had no idea what was happening to them. No one is blaming the Rittenhouse family for this situation.

 

[TPD]

There's the end of Deliberation Day 3. There has been speculation I've seen here and there that there is a single woman who is holding up the other not guilty votes (not sure how anyone would know this to be fact). Some believe that the woman who asked to take the jury instructions home was her. Whoever she was, you know she is going to be on the google researching everything and I thought that was not allowed.

Now, its just a matter of how long until the others give up and they call a hung jury. If the holdout is the foreman, this might go on forever.

This is why jury selection is so critical and not to be glossed over.

I am surprised the judge agreed to let the jurors take the instructions home. How can you go home and do research on these instructions without seeing anything about this case? More fodder for the defense for a mistrial.

 

[TPD]

The Rittenhouse family are not sophisticated people and they found themselves in an extreme situation with which they have no experience. I'm sure they had no idea what was happening to them.

This was part of the point I was trying to make. If you are not familiar with the legal system and have never needed an attorney in the past, it is difficult to go thru the process. Especially in an extreme case like this where you can not rely on a public defender.

 

[Ken King]

This is why jury selection is so critical and not to be glossed over.

That is all well and good until you look at the Wisconsin jury selection process as was used in this case. 20 were selected (of which two were dismissed leaving 18) and then after the trial proceedings ended the final 12 were determined by a pick from a tumbler, the defense got 6 picks to narrow the field to 12. So any jury selection professionals might only get two of their dream picks in the final 12 (assumption that the two released and the 6 random choices were all of defense preferential).

 

[GURPS]

Skeptics Parse NBC News Statement After Employee Accused Of Tailing Rittenhouse Jurors Bus



The “during deliberations” phrase of the statement received attention and criticism online as reporters and others suggested that NBC was trying to mislead and cover for sending a freelancer after the Rittenhouse trial jurors.

“During deliberations,” said Erielle Davidson, a senior policy analyst at the Jewish Institute for National Security of America. “Full intent on seeing the jurors and contacting them after deliberations. Given the media’s generally grotesque coverage of this trial, at what point does such behavior amount to intimidation?”

Radio host Vince Coglianese remarked, “NBC promises the guy they had following the jury never intended to do anything related to journalism.”

“He said he was told to follow them. This statement doesn’t address that,” Tablet Magazine CTO Noam Blum said, referring to the freelancer’s statement to police.

 

[PJay]

 

[glhs837]

I am not afraid to back away when the odds are against me and I do not have self-defense implements upon my person.

Then again, last time I used my fists on someone, was at college in February 1978. Beat down a fellow cadet for saying vile things, which I knew were lies, about the young lady who later became my wife. He was in the hospital for a few weeks. I broke his nose, a couple ribs, collar bone and separated the shoulder on that side, too.

After that, Anita urged me to find other methods of exacting personal justice. She did not want me in jail.

The incident took place on campus and the police at the time let things that happened on campus, below the level of actual homicide, stay on campus. I was tried by a cadet court martial, who decided to throw out the charges with prejudice once they knew why I did the damage.

4 years ago the fellow contacted me and apologized for what he said back then. Also said he knew Anita would never forgive him. I told him the hatchet was buried between us and wished him well. He has been married as long and have Anita and I. His wife, kids and grandkids see him as a good man.

I didn't instigate, walked a young lady to her car and these guys were waiting for me. The lady was an ex of one of them and he was a bit of a dick. Didn't even realize things were going south since they looked like just some guys leaving until they surrounded me.