The Water Company

Sharon

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Staff member
PREMO Member
residentofcre said:
Since 1989 the County has been taking money from CRE and not returning any. By that I am referring to the fees for every new home, the income taxes, and the other assorted fees and taxes....

This is a chance to change the past. This is a chance for the County to use an innovative approach to assist people.

You know... when you look at it in the future tense... if the water company doesn't come up with something to take the load off the homeowners for the new wells that will be required, the county will have to take over the water supply.... and then George Hanson will be right... He keeps saying the county wants to shut down the water company.... could he be on to something?

In the big scheme of things I don't think it really matters. We will get water from somewhere. The county isn't going to let one of their biggest cash cows dry up and become uninhabitable.

Was Hanson the one who wanted CWA to become a water authority?
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
residentofcre said:
Since 1989 the County has been taking money from CRE and not returning any. By that I am referring to the fees for every new home, the income taxes, and the other assorted fees and taxes....

This is a chance to change the past. This is a chance for the County to use an innovative approach to assist people.

You know... when you look at it in the future tense... if the water company doesn't come up with something to take the load off the homeowners for the new wells that will be required, the county will have to take over the water supply.... and then George Hanson will be right... He keeps saying the county wants to shut down the water company.... could he be on to something?
becky, everybody pays taxes and fees, but the county puts in new wells for none of them. And i dont think the WC being shut down would be the worst thing that could happen. The county would definately put in a new well when it was needed then!
 
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residentofcre

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Sharon said:
In the big scheme of things I don't think it really matters. We will get water from somewhere. The county isn't going to let one of their biggest cash cows dry up and become uninhabitable.

Was Hanson the one who wanted CWA to become a water authority?

yes... he wanted the water company to become an authority....

In the big scheme of things we have been used and abused since the beginning of CRE.... and it's time for that to stop.

Would you feel different if it wasn't Hanson as manager of the water company? Would that make anything different?
 
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residentofcre

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Midnightrider said:
becky, everybody pays taxes and fees, but the county puts in new wells for none of them. And i dont think the WC being shut down would be the worst thing that could happen. The county would definately put in a new well when it was needed then!

I know this... but I also know the price for everyone would be very costly.

We don't want free... we want affordable right?
 

Sharon

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Staff member
PREMO Member
residentofcre said:
In the big scheme of things we have been used and abused since the beginning of CRE.... and it's time for that to stop.

It's too bad that you feel that way. I like it here. This is a wonderful place to live. Relax and be happy.

Would you feel different if it wasn't Hanson as manager of the water company? Would that make anything different?
It was a question just for reference of remembering who was pushing the water authority issue.
Meanwhile, a study by the Maryland Department of Natural Resources has been available for some time. The study addresses a pending water shortage in Southern Maryland. There is indeed plenty of water for everyone right now. Since the Aquia Aquifer is a closed system and virtually everyone who drinks or uses water from the tap in Southern Maryland is using the water from the Aquia Aquifer, it’s going to run out.
If the Aquia dries out in 2025 won't the county be drilling new wells also? If that's the case what difference does it make where the water is coming from now?
 
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residentofcre

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Sharon said:
It's too bad that you feel that way. I like it here. This is a wonderful place to live. Relax and be happy.


It was a question just for reference of remembering who was pushing the water authority issue.
If the Aquia dries out in 2025 won't the county be drilling new wells also? If that's the case what difference does it make where the water is coming from now?

I love it here. That's why I work so hard to keep the community the way it is rather than letting the county come in and take over the infrastructure. I probably spend a good 20 hours a week working for or on my community is some way or another. I'd love to do this full time.....

Here's the way I see it. We, the people of CRE and other private communities, have asked the county for assistance with our infrastructure needs. When we do we are told that there's nothing they can do until the situation gets so bad that they have to come in and bail us out for health or safety reasons. Then if they do come in and help us out, they will require the membership to give up the amenities.

When I was working on the Task Force I learned that there is a lot of things the county could assist us with without spending a dime of taxpayer money in goods or services. That means not a single employee would be required past the approval process and no tax payer funds would have to be diverted. We would only need the approval of the commissioners to move forward with grant money requests, or requests for return of tax funds from the state or federal governements.

Now we're talking about water. The one thing that we simply cannot live without in the community. The animosity between the county and the WC is well published. Compounded by the fact that we are a private community... and the water company will fight to stay in control, the people in CRE will be caught in the middle. I see it coming. don't you? If the county really is bent on doing away with the water company and supplying the water themselves, this would be a perfect tool to do so. I have been told by a county emplyee that the goal is to shut down the water company, and then to put in a county run sewer system to save the watershed. Now if George Hanson says he wants to put in a system, he can be stopped. If Calvert County wants to do it... they can't be... The price of the wells to provide the water for CRE would be on our backs either way.

I would much rather plan now for it and get it done. The last time I checked the cost to have a commercial well drilled is about $100 per foot. Based on what I have read, we are talking about 700' at todays prices. The cost of PVC goes up with the oil prices.

The lawsuits are costing us a fortune and they will continue without some kind of resolution. What would it cost the county to allow CRWC to be the supplier and allow the community to earn the money to go into the next aquifer? I'd much rather see it go that way, and yes...it would help by taking some of the burdon off and yes the county would do without a little bit of the money that they are planning to use. We would be earning the money to help ourselves not asking for a handout. CRWC is a company. This would be outsourcing and the county would benefit.

I love it here. I've just been deep enough into the reality of the infrastructure needs to realize that unless we find a way to get away from the current mindset, CRE will suffer.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
residentofcre said:
I know this... but I also know the price for everyone would be very costly.

We don't want free... we want affordable right?
I really dont understand why you have such an interest in the CRWC getting a discount on a well some 20 years from now.
Are you somehow vested in the company?

Otherwise, its a buisness, let them handle it.
 
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residentofcre

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Midnightrider said:
I really dont understand why you have such an interest in the CRWC getting a discount on a well some 20 years from now.
Are you somehow vested in the company?

Otherwise, its a buisness, let them handle it.

They are my water supplier. I have to pay the bills. If they require a capital expenditure... I have to pay for it....

I would also like the wells to go in way before the 20 year threshold. That way we can preserve the aquia for the private residential wells.

That's pretty much the only reason I am involved...
 

Pete

Repete
residentofcre said:
They are my water supplier. I have to pay the bills. If they require a capital expenditure... I have to pay for it....

I would also like the wells to go in way before the 20 year threshold. That way we can preserve the aquia for the private residential wells.

That's pretty much the only reason I am involved...
Then why don't you lobby the water company to have a small rate hike and set aside that money in escrow to offset the cost in 2025?

Why is it the counties obligation to pass up revenue for the infastructure of all Calvertians to benefit a private company in CRE?
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
Pete said:
Then why don't you lobby the water company to have a small rate hike and set aside that money in escrow to offset the cost in 2025?

Why is it the counties obligation to pass up revenue for the infastructure of all Calvertians to benefit a private company in CRE?
Exactly, if the WC was still being run be CRE i could understand your concern. But its not, and you seem to be tilting at windmills.

besides, the CRWC well DOES SERVICE RESIDENTAL CUSTOMERS- nearly exclusivly, unless you and hanson get what you want
 
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residentofcre

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Pete said:
Then why don't you lobby the water company to have a small rate hike and set aside that money in escrow to offset the cost in 2025?

Why is it the counties obligation to pass up revenue for the infastructure of all Calvertians to benefit a private company in CRE?

I've explained my point of view on this question before.... The county has been taking money from CRE [for every single new home as well as income taxes] since 1989 and they have not returned one single penny to us.... this is a chance to let us earn the money... it's just that simple... it's the right thing to do...
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
residentofcre said:
I've explained my point of view on this question before.... The county has been taking money from CRE [for every single new home as well as income taxes] since 1989 and they have not returned one single penny to us.... this is a chance to let us earn the money... it's just that simple... it's the right thing to do...
Becky, seriously, everybody pays taxes, and the county gives us every bit that it gives them. So we should get a subsidy for our water, and the guy who lives on olivet rd get nothing, right?

GIVE IT UP
 

Pete

Repete
residentofcre said:
I've explained my point of view on this question before.... The county has been taking money from CRE [for every single new home as well as income taxes] since 1989 and they have not returned one single penny to us.... this is a chance to let us earn the money... it's just that simple... it's the right thing to do...
Good grief, I live in ST Mary's pay the same taxes, have a well, septic and if one of them fails I certainly don't expect the county to subsidise the repair, just because it is the nice thing to do. I pay the same taxes as everyone else and I get the same back. Aside from the road in front of my house which is never touched I get the same governmental service as any resident of the Ranch Club.

In one breath you say you "work very hard to keep the county out" yet you want them to subsidise the private water company to offset your potential future costs? Which way do you want it? You want them out or you want them in? You know if they "cut a deal" an allow a private company to benefit every other private organization in the county is going to want the same consideration on hundreds of issues.

How do you know the water company, if they got the extra revenue, would put that money into new wells in the future and not a new Porsche? what recourse would you have in 2023 when the well is dry and the water company does :nomoney:?
 

Pete

Repete
2ndAmendment said:
You know something I don't?
She could give up Heineken's to be sure "children and pregnant women" are not drinking out of a muddy wheel rut and keeling over from arsenic poisoning.

SHARON! :patriot: SHARON! :patriot: SHARON! :patriot:
 
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residentofcre

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Pete said:
She could give up Heineken's to be sure "children and pregnant women" are not drinking out of a muddy wheel rut and keeling over from arsenic poisoning.

SHARON! :patriot: SHARON! :patriot: SHARON! :patriot:

Gave up heinekens a long time ago....
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Pete said:
She could give up Heineken's to be sure "children and pregnant women" are not drinking out of a muddy wheel rut and keeling over from arsenic poisoning.

SHARON! :patriot: SHARON! :patriot: SHARON! :patriot:
She can keep her Heinekens. Keeps her mellow.
 
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