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The institutional knowledge I observe regulary is about 30-40 years out of date to the IT systems that support it. They need to retire.
I think most people won't take the buyout because this is what they do - they have a sweet deal. I think I read it's 8 months pay? That's really not very much.
The Secs and administrators need to take inventory of their various realms - who are all these people and what do they do? Should this be a state thing? Is it necessary? Is it redundant? Example:
Dept of Ed was a good idea. A federal dept that oversees education on a national level and aids the state education programs. Then it turned into freaking Goliath. And clearly there are too many people in that dept who don't have enough to do so they sit around getting baked and coming up with weird stoner ideas of stuff to inflict on our kids. Here are the various offices and programs under DoE:
ED Offices
Information about the Department of Education's 17 Principal Operating Components (POCs) and each POC's sub-offices, people, and mission, as well as the programs and projects that each office administers and contact information for each POC.
Then you go to the individual Office and there's a bunch of suboffices, and on and on it goes. In the meantime, I haven't noticed an increase in educational proficiency in this country. If anything, our kids are less educated than previous generations. Because that's the problem when you have too many people involved in something - they have to come up with bullshit to justify their paycheck. So they go, "Hey, I know! Let's send Drag Queens into elementary schools to teach kids to be tolerant!" And if you say, "Hey, you people need to trim your budget" they go, "SCREEECH! Fine! Then we'll just eliminate school lunches! How would you like that? Why do you want to starve little children???"
We need a Tom Homan for every department of the US government. Someone who'll do what's needed and not give a crap when people whine about it. A JD Vance who'll say, "I don't really care, Margaret."
OccamsRazor
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8 months of pay (and benefits) to sit on their butts and do nothing OR to take into early retirement OR to even collect while working another job.
Still better than working every single day until retirement date and just collecting your retirement pay. Essentially, 8 months of free money and benefits IN ADDITION to their retirement pensions and benefits.
$100K salary = $67K buyout (before taxes and other deductions)
Clem72
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I don't doubt there are bloated agencies and bad bureaucrats, but I can only speak to the 32 years of experience I had working for various department of defense agencies and in my experience we were never fully staffed. Never had enough people to perform the work necessary. Yes, some processes were overbearing and seemed designed to slow us down, mostly related to contracting, division of money, and segmenting work to keep people without a "need to know" from getting the full picture, but unfortunately those processes are necessary to keep people honest and to make it difficult for our enemies to gain Intel.
Unfortunately this trimming of the fat isn't being done surgically, it's being done in an alley and without anesthesia. Designed to hurt as much as help.
See, if I were a federal drone I wouldn't take that deal. Being me, I'd take it and start one of my dream small businesses, but most federal workers don't have an entrepreneurial spirit or they wouldn't be fed workers to begin with. Some might get all excited about $67k, but the smarter ones will realize that doesn't go very far and now they're going to have to find another job.
That's because you had too many Chiefs and not enough Indians. Oversight and budget realignment would go a long way toward fixing that.
OccamsRazor
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Agree for the most part BUT, for those who were already eligible and planning on retirement, that's some decent "walkin' out the door" money in addition to their pension and other benefits.
What percent of the federal workforce do you think that is?
Clem72
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So you guys didn't read the actual e-mail (why not, it's all over the internet) or the OPM memo/fact sheet?
It's not a buyout despite early headlines. It's an agreement that if you opt for a deferred resignation for the last day of the fiscal year you will be exempted from the return to in person work requirements.
That's it. Keep doing your job, keep getting paid, until the end of the fiscal year.
The only people likely to take the offer are those who were already planning to resign or were on the fence because they cannot or do not want to work in person. But again, they will still keep doing their jobs (in as much as they were before) remotely until the end of the fiscal year.
There's no VSIP/VERA/Buyout. That would actually get a LOT more people to leave and would actually shrink the government because billets that get VSIP/VERA are removed, they don't get to be filled by new people (the point being that the job is no longer necessary, which is why they are offered a bonus to vacate the job).
But from the outside looking in, trimming it surgically never got done. People in Nov decided to do it in an alley without anesthesia. Cut it now and bring back only what's needed.
Government workers are you kidding me ! Not on their best days ever LOL.
OccamsRazor
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I think you need to re-read it......
BOP
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Hold out for the coupon for a turkey at Giant coupon at Thanksgiving.
That is literally what one new Ford dealership gave us for an end-of-year bonus for our parts in standing up said dealership. I know for a fact that everyone in the service department busted their humps to make it work.
I gave mine to a charity.
LtownTaxpayer
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I think it is methane poisoning - a direct result of having ones head inserted into ones posterior.
Sneakers
Just sneakin' around....
Same. When I was working, my ex, myself and my dad all got turkeys from the same company. One year we didn't use 2 of them and still had them in the freezer next holiday. From then on, gave away all but one.
LtownTaxpayer
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The deferred resignation is really only for people who were working from home, and it really is a deferred resignation. If you leave before the end of the fiscal year, your pay ends. There is not big payment. And it isn't available to everyone. Those excepted include military personnel of the armed forces, employees of the U.S. Postal Service, those in positions related to immigration enforcement and national security, and those in any other positions specifically excluded by your employing agency. I'm thinking anyone holding a high level security clearance are not included. But they probably weren't working at home.
PeoplesElbow
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FYI if you resign you don't keep your healthcare into retirement.
LtownTaxpayer
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And if you take an deferred retirement (people who get out at 57 with between 10 and 30 years of service), you also don't keep your health insurance.
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