Toys for Tots rejects Jesus dolls
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At least now I know what to get Elaine for Christmas 
I won't have to buy one myself. Don't forget the Barbie wardrobe to go with it. 
FromTexas
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elaine said:
I understand that completely. I am just pointing out the incredible irony of denouncing people wanting to make Christmas about Christ when that is what Christmas is about. It isn't your holiday because you want gifts. I don't see a bunch of you walking around passing out Kwanzah gifts. I don't see everyone saying, "Hey! I'm celebrating Hannukah because I like the dradle!"
So, its simple. I have no problem with people sharing the Christmas holiday even though they aren't Christian, but don't go get all peeved when the people who "claim" the holiday try to make it about that. If you choose to participate, then choose to accept that you get to suck it up and deal with the Christians treating their holiday as they see it.
I mean, people get to go trade nice gifts, suck down some egg nog, get together with friends, put up pretty lights, and have a pretty darn good time. Is it so much to ask that just for that small time of the year these people respect the religion of the holiday they are assimilating? I mean, its only a few weeks. You think a few people could actually be respectful to Christians for just that little time. How can it be wrong to just ask for that?
Wickedwrench
Stubborn and opinionated
Airgasm said:
I bet the WWE wouldn't have a problem selling these as a wrestling buddies three pack.
That's ridiculous.elaine said:
Christmas (<-- note the "Christ" in there) is a holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus. Period. The fact that it's so widely celebrated - all across the globe, no less - is an indicator of how popular Christianity is. If you don't like it, take it up with the Roman emperor that declared Dec. 25th to be the official day of Jesus' birth.
So you, Elaine, are the odd man out
And I demand that you cease calling your winter holiday "Christmas" and start calling it "Saturnalia" or "Yule".All in favor, say "aye"
On a side note - take it for however you want it - for which ever angle you want to apply it to... but, I'm reading a fiction crime novel, Michael Connelly's The Closers, and a line in the book struck me a bit...
It reads...
I take this proclamation as an intervention of faith in OR against some organized religion <~~ That has been MY experience.
It reads...
I take this proclamation as an intervention of faith in OR against some organized religion <~~ That has been MY experience.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Nice try.. the Roman you speak of picked Dec 25th to celegrate the birth of the PAGAN ATTIS..vraiblonde said:That's ridiculous.
Christmas (<-- note the "Christ" in there) is a holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus. Period. The fact that it's so widely celebrated - all across the globe, no less - is an indicator of how popular Christianity is. If you don't like it, take it up with the Roman emperor that declared Dec. 25th to be the official day of Jesus' birth.
So you, Elaine, are the odd man out
All in favor, say "aye"
THE Church (by which I think they mean the Catholics) decided on Dec 25th as way to directly influence the Paganism.
The actual birthday of Jesus was forgotten by the early Christian movement. in those days, various groups celebrated his birth on JAN-6, APR-21 and MAY-1. By the 4th century, the church selected the approximate time of the winter solstice as the date to recognize Jesus' birth. They picked up this date from Pagan sources. As luck would have it, the autumn equinox might have been a more accurate choice.
The winter solstice occurs about DEC-21 each year. It is the day of the year when the night is longest and the daytime shortest. Using the crude instruments available, ancient astronomers were able to detect by DEC-25 of each year that the daytime had become noticeably longer. This date was chosen, and remains, the traditional date for followers of many different Pagan religions to celebrate the rebirth of the sun. Following the solstice, each succeeding day has slightly more sunlight than the previous day. It was seen as a promise that warmth would return once more to the earth. Numerous pre-Christian Pagan religions honored their gods' birth or rebirth on or about that day. Their deities were typically called: Son of Man, Light of the World, Sun of Righteousness, Bridegroom, and Savior. Some examples are:
Roman Pagan Religion: Attis was a son of the virgin Nana. His birth was celebrated on DEC-25. He was sacrificed as an adult in order to bring salvation to mankind. He died about MAR-25, after being crucified on a tree, and descended for three days into the underworld. On Sunday, he arose, as the solar deity for the new season. His followers tied an image of Attis to a tree on "Black Friday," and carried him in a procession to the temple. His body was symbolically eaten by his followers in the form of bread. Worship of Attis began in Rome circa 200 BCE.
WOW, that sounds an AWFUL lot like the life of Christ, and was written about and worshipped a few hundred years before the bible was written.. Coincedence??
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itsbob
I bowl overhand
Greek Pagan Religion: Dionysus is another savior-god whose birth was observed on DEC-25. He was worshipped throughout much of the Middle East as well. He had a center of worship in Jerusalem in the 1st century BCE. Some ancient coins have been found in Gaza with Dionysus on one side and JHWH (Jehovah) on the other. In later years, his flesh and blood were symbolically eaten in the form of bread and wine. He was viewed as the son of Zeus, the Father God.
WOW, lot of similarity here.. ANOTHER pagan who's birth was celebrated on 25 December
WOW, lot of similarity here.. ANOTHER pagan who's birth was celebrated on 25 December
scottrobts
New Member
vraiblonde said:That's ridiculous.
Christmas (<-- note the "Christ" in there) is a holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus. Period. The fact that it's so widely celebrated - all across the globe, no less - is an indicator of how popular Christianity is. If you don't like it, take it up with the Roman emperor that declared Dec. 25th to be the official day of Jesus' birth.
So you, Elaine, are the odd man out
All in favor, say "aye"
December 25 was the birthday of the pagan god Mithra, worshipped in Europe at the time. He was a bull-shaped god who died for his followers. Don't even get me started on the Emperor who made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, if he is your hero then you really need some help.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Egyptian Pagan Religion: Osiris is a savior-god who had been worshipped as far back as Neolithic times. "He was called Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God of Gods...the Resurrection and the Life, the Good shepherd...the god who 'made men and women be born again'" 5 Three wise men announced his birth. His followers ate cakes of wheat which symbolized his body. Many sayings associated with Osiris were taken over into the Bible. This included: 23rd Psalm: an appeal to Osiris as the good Shepherd to lead believers through the valley of the shadow of death and to green pastures and still waters
Lord's Prayer: "O amen, who art in heaven..."
Many parables attributed to Jesus.
Worship of Osiris, and celebration of his DEC-25 birth, were established throughout the Roman Empire by the end of the 1st century BCE.
And the list goes on and on..
The only that wasn't born on 25 Dec was Jeebus..
Lord's Prayer: "O amen, who art in heaven..."
Many parables attributed to Jesus.
Worship of Osiris, and celebration of his DEC-25 birth, were established throughout the Roman Empire by the end of the 1st century BCE.
And the list goes on and on..
The only that wasn't born on 25 Dec was Jeebus..
itsbob
I bowl overhand
This one sounds Eerily familiar...
Persian Pagan Religion: Mithra was a Persian savior. Worship of Mithra became common throughout the Roman Empire, particularly among the Roman civil service and military. Mithraism was a competitor of Christianity until the 4th century. Their god was believed to have been born on DEC-25, circa 500 BCE. His birth was witnessed by shepherds and by gift-carrying Magi. This was celebrated as the "Dies Natalis Solic Invite," The "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun." Some followers believed that he was born of a virgin. During his life, he performed many miracles, cured many illnesses, and cast out devils. He celebrated a Last Supper with his 12 disciples. He ascended to heaven at the time of the spring equinox, about March 21.
Hmm, when was the bible written??
Persian Pagan Religion: Mithra was a Persian savior. Worship of Mithra became common throughout the Roman Empire, particularly among the Roman civil service and military. Mithraism was a competitor of Christianity until the 4th century. Their god was believed to have been born on DEC-25, circa 500 BCE. His birth was witnessed by shepherds and by gift-carrying Magi. This was celebrated as the "Dies Natalis Solic Invite," The "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun." Some followers believed that he was born of a virgin. During his life, he performed many miracles, cured many illnesses, and cast out devils. He celebrated a Last Supper with his 12 disciples. He ascended to heaven at the time of the spring equinox, about March 21.
Hmm, when was the bible written??