Toys for Tots rejects Jesus dolls

[K_Jo]

You're all wrong. Bastille Day is the most important holiday.

 

[RoseRed]

You're all wrong. Bastille Day is the most important holiday.

I like Boxing Day.

 

[Toxick]

Ya' know what? If I were an 8 year old kid, I'd be pretty disappointed to get a Jesus doll instead of a Barbie, and it's about making the kids happy during the holidays. Why do people lose sight of what the charity is about? It's not about spreadin' the freakin' word.

I didn't lose sight of anything. I know what the purpose of charity is. Doing something nice for others. But if charity-cases are going to start throwing it back into the faces of people trying to help them, then they are unworthy of the compassion being shown to them.



And speaking of losing sight of something: What people have lost sight of is what Christmas IS.

It's not about spreading freakin' toys.




No matter how much secularists wish it was.

 

[mAlice]

I didn't lose sight of anything. I know what the purpose of charity is. Doing something nice for others. But if charity-cases are going to starting throw throwing it back into the faces of people trying to help then they are unworthy of the compassion being shown to them.



And speaking of losing sight of something: What people have lost sight of is what Christmas IS.

It's not about spreading freakin' toys.




No matter how much secularists wish it was.

I think you need a Jesus doll for xmas.

 

[Toxick]

I think you need a Jesus doll for xmas.

I've always believed that it's the thought that counts.

I'd be happy if someone gave me a handshake or a bag of golf-tees for Christmas if they were sincere in the giving.





Even though I don't play golf

 

[SamSpade]

Ya' know what? If I were an 8 year old kid, I'd be pretty disappointed to get a Jesus doll instead of a Barbie, and it's about making the kids happy during the holidays. Why do people lose sight of what the charity is about? It's not about spreadin' the freakin' word.

My sentiments on this are two-fold.

I don't think the Marines or any part of the government should participate in any part of any religion. I've already got qualms about them participating in ANYTHING to do with "Christmas". How would you feel if they were giving alms for Ramadan, or handing out dreidels for Hannukkah? Charity's nice, but they need another season for giving out toys. We already have the damned holiday as a FEDERAL HOLIDAY but only as a concession - if they didn't have it as a holiday, everyone would take it off anyway.

But the other should be, people should at least marginally accept the fact that it is a religious holiday, despite its widespread celebration as a secular one. From what I understand of my friends who've been to Ireland, they're just a little p!ssed at the way we celebrate St Paddie's Day - as a drunken beerfest rather than a religious feast.

I guess I don't see anything wrong with people trying to actually celebrate the holiday for the reason it was created. Thanksgiving is not actually turkey and football day. Memorial Day isn't go to the beach and break out the barbecue day. But who knows? We may live to see 9-11 commemorated as a drunken boozefest and football day.

It just seems to me like someone is subtly saying, what does this Jesus crap have anything to do with Christmas?

 

[MMDad]

But if charity-cases are going to start throwing it back into the faces of people trying to help them, then they are unworthy of the compassion being shown to them.

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The "people trying to help them" were not trying to help. They were trying to use toys for tots to spread their agenda. If they truly wanted to get Jesus dolls to Christians, they would have donated them to a christian charity.

They were trying to get the dolls into the hands of non-believers by using a secular charity. Double talk it all you want to, but it is wrong to hide your agenda behind a facade of "charity."

 

[Toxick]

The "people trying to help them" were not trying to help.

Really - and you're privvy to their motives.... how, exactly?



Now that you have revealed yourself as a clarvoyant, can you tell me what tomorrow's lottery numbers are?




After I win, I'll buy you a big giant crucifix for your front yard.

 

[mAlice]

My sentiments on this are two-fold.

I don't think the Marines or any part of the government should participate in any part of any religion. I've already got qualms about them participating in ANYTHING to do with "Christmas". How would you feel if they were giving alms for Ramadan, or handing out dreidels for Hannukkah? Charity's nice, but they need another season for giving out toys. We already have the damned holiday as a FEDERAL HOLIDAY but only as a concession - if they didn't have it as a holiday, everyone would take it off anyway.

I don't think the kids care what it's called when they're dirt poor and that's the only way they're able to do what they see everyone else doing. And, christmas is what it is. It's religious to some, secular to others. Just because one person see's it one way, does't mean that everyone else should. Let people believe what they want to believe, remembering that it was a pagan celebration before it was a christian celebration.

But the other should be, people should at least marginally accept the fact that it is a religious holiday, despite its widespread celebration as a secular one. From what I understand of my friends who've been to Ireland, they're just a little p!ssed at the way we celebrate St Paddie's Day - as a drunken beerfest rather than a religious feast.

I disagree. It was a pagan celebration first. This isn't about St Paddies day.

I guess I don't see anything wrong with people trying to actually celebrate the holiday for the reason it was created. Thanksgiving is not actually turkey and football day. Memorial Day isn't go to the beach and break out the barbecue day. But who knows? We may live to see 9-11 commemorated as a drunken boozefest and football day.

I don't see anything wrong with anyone celebrating it any way the see fit. It's not my place to tell someone "you're not a christian, take down the freakin' tree". Neither Thanksgiving or Memorial day are religious to me in any way.

It just seems to me like someone is subtly saying, what does this Jesus crap have anything to do with Christmas?

To some, the Jesus crap has nothing at all to do with christmas.

 

[ylexot]

Because that’s the belief of the Christian right in this country today: that the Constitution grants everyone of every faith the right to the Christian experience of their choice.

I disagree with this statement. Christians want to spread their religion. Muslims want to spread their religion. Jews want to spread their religion. And it's not just religion either. Democrats want to spread their doctrine. Republicans want to spread their doctrine. Environmentalists want to spread their beliefs. PETA wants to spread their beliefs. People who believe firmly in X want to spread that belief. That is human nature.

 

[MMDad]

Really - and you're privvy to their motives.... how, exactly?



Now that you have revealed yourself as a clarvoyant, can you tell me what tomorrow's lottery numbers are?




After I win, I'll buy you a big giant crucifix for your front yard.

Either I'm clairvoyant (note the spelling), or I read the freaking article. As I said, double-talk it all you want to, it is still wrong to hide your agenda behind a facade of charity.

 

[mAlice]

The "people trying to help them" were not trying to help. They were trying to use toys for tots to spread their agenda. If they truly wanted to get Jesus dolls to Christians, they would have donated them to a christian charity.

They were trying to get the dolls into the hands of non-believers by using a secular charity. Double talk it all you want to, but it is wrong to hide your agenda behind a facade of "charity."

Well said.

 

[mAlice]

I've always believed that it's the thought that counts.

I'd be happy if someone gave me a handshake or a bag of golf-tees for Christmas if they were sincere in the giving.





Even though I don't play golf

But that's how adults think, not children.

 

[ylexot]

BTW, we have some Toys for Tots boxes in the office. I'm planning to get a few educational toys to donate. I want to impose my belief that education is important. Is that wrong?

 

[mAlice]

Really - and you're privvy to their motives.... how, exactly?

That's what the guy said in the article.

 

[itsbob]

After I win, I'll buy you a big giant crucifix for your front yard.

8-16-32-41-56

And I prefer a guillotine.. those are WAAAAAAY cooler then a silly wooden cross..

 

[MMDad]

BTW, we have some Toys for Tots boxes in the office. I'm planning to get a few educational toys to donate. I want to impose my belief that education is important. Is that wrong?

That depends on your motive. Are you trying to educate all children, or just the ones who haven't yet "found" education?

 

[mAlice]

He must have me on ignore, this will be the Third time it has been posted on this Thread (can someone quote me, so maybe he'll see it then?)

Thank you.

 

[itsbob]

BTW, we have some Toys for Tots boxes in the office. I'm planning to get a few educational toys to donate. I want to impose my belief that education is important. Is that wrong?

Depends.. what are you going to edumicate them about??

I can imagine some poor 8 year olds face when they open their Christmas present and find a talking Jesus doll.. talk about throwing his lot in life in his face. Other kids will be showing off their new clothes, new skateboard, new sneakers, their new handheld games, and little johny Loser gets to sit in the corner and pull the string on Jesus' back. "If your mother was a better Christian you would have got a cool toy too!!!"

Not bad enough that he's poor, now all the other kids have another reason to pick on him.

But you know what, they'll take any chance and any reason they can to try to indoctrinate a young mind...

 

[Toxick]

Either I'm clairvoyant (note the spelling),

Jeez - and I type that word so often too. Thanks for pointing out my misspelling, because it really adds a lot to your argument.

And yer ugly.




It's been a few days since I read the article, so I forgot the quote from the toy people. But still, his motives seemed genuine to me. I didn't get the image of an EEEEEVIL Fundi-Christian twirling his moustache trying to poison the mind of the youth.

As I said, double-talk it all you want to, it is still wrong to hide your agenda behind a facade of charity.

Yeah - well whatever.
What's really wrong is that beggers are becoming choosers.

Which is still my point.


I don't want to be dragged into a discussion about whether these evil christian bastards have the right to force their views on others. That topic has been beaten into a messy pulp in this thread. I have nothing to add which hasn't already been said on that matter.


My point, and the point I'd like to remain focused on is that if you're asking for stuff, I find it extremely rude and arrogant to reject stuff becuase you don't like it for some reason.