UFOs

[SamSpade]

Just in general-

I don’t mean to be a wet blanket on the discussion about UFOs and aliens. Despite thoughts about their likelihood of existence - I’ve seen zero conclusive proof. Even some of the people testifying before Congress are just third party witnesses. They’ve never seen the bodies, they’ve never seen the ships. What they have seen they have no idea what they’re seeing.

Extraordinary assertions require extraordinary proof and I’ve seen nothing approaching that. It’s not logical to conclude something based on conjecture and not evidence even if I want it to be true.

 

[Sneakers]

Extraordinary assertions require extraordinary proof and I’ve seen nothing approaching that. It’s not logical to conclude something based on conjecture and not evidence even if I want it to be true.

Hmmm. Same thing I say about an all supreme being. Stories passed down for thousands of years, word of mouth until books were invented.

Ever play the game "telephone" ? A story passed between 10 people in a few minutes is totally corrupted. Apply that concept to the stories of the Bible.

 

[SamSpade]

Hmmm. Same thing I say about an all supreme being. Stories passed down for thousands of years, word of mouth until books were invented.

Ever play the game "telephone" ? A story passed between 10 people in a few minutes is totally corrupted. Apply that concept to the stories of the Bible.

Except that manuscripts of the Bible spanning nearly fifteen hundred years show the same words. It’s not a copy of a copy of a copy. It’s more that successive copies relied on the same manuscripts. Moreover, they often unearth MORE - such as the portions of the Old Testament among the Dead Sea scrolls.

I haven’t any doubt that what was written in the Bible has been preserved. No other book in human history has been written, printed, illuminated and presrved like the Bible.

Even WITHOUT all those manuscripts - it’s quoted over centuries by so many writers, it could nearly be written just from that.

The problem with the Bible for people is they either don’t agree with what it says or don’t agree with what it means. And that’s fine. But it’s definitely not a case of “telephone”. When you have copies of the Septuagint and Dead Sea Scrolls and quotes from the Ante-Nicene fathers all in agreement - it’s not an issue.

What I came to conclude was that belief in God carries the same degree of plausibility that non-belief does. The same hurdles of faith and conjecture. Simply put - because it’s complex - either the universe has an eternal God or supreme intelligence - or it’s all an accident of physics that began with the singularity and will one day fade out. The end. If we’re the only life in the universe, it’s just a freak accident.

To me - a God is very slightly more plausible. That’s not exactly earth shattering faith. That’s my problem.

 

[Sneakers]

Except that manuscripts of the Bible spanning nearly fifteen hundred years show the same words. It’s not a copy of a copy of a copy. It’s more that successive copies relied on the same manuscripts. Moreover, they often unearth MORE - such as the portions of the Old Testament among the Dead Sea scrolls.

I'm really referring to before the words were put into manuscript form. It was all word-of-mouth. That's where the telephone game plays in. And just because they were written down doesn't make them fact or truths. They are just stories, and a high likelihood, fictional.

 

[vraiblonde]

Just in general-

I don’t mean to be a wet blanket on the discussion about UFOs and aliens. Despite thoughts about their likelihood of existence - I’ve seen zero conclusive proof. Even some of the people testifying before Congress are just third party witnesses. They’ve never seen the bodies, they’ve never seen the ships. What they have seen they have no idea what they’re seeing.

Extraordinary assertions require extraordinary proof and I’ve seen nothing approaching that. It’s not logical to conclude something based on conjecture and not evidence even if I want it to be true.

And yet you believe in God. So that's the point where we agree to disagree, shake hands, and walk away.

 

[DaSDGuy]

For the people who say they don't believe something exists because they haven't seen it for themselves, please explain slavery in the US. I've never seen it, so therefore it doesn't exist and never has.
There are thousands of things I've never seen, so using your logic, they don't exist and you can't convince me unless you show me.
Did I get your reasoning correct?

 

[SamSpade]

For the people who say they don't believe something exists because they haven't seen it for themselves, please explain slavery in the US. I've never seen it, so therefore it doesn't exist and never has.
There are thousands of things I've never seen, so using your logic, they don't exist and you can't convince me unless you show me.
Did I get your reasoning correct?

Do you mean - slavery CURRENTLY in the U.S.? Because past slavery is so thoroughly covered, we have photos and testimony and until a generation ago, actual slaves. We have laws and transportation records and genealogy records. Our Constitution covers it and makes reference to it and outlaws it.

I'm partly questioning the TIMING also, of the UFO hearings. Somehow, when something potentially embarassing starts to happen with Joe, out pops the Easter Bunny. When a big news items threatens to appear or starts to emerge, something ELSE supercedes its spot on the front page. If papers and media outlets took the UFO hearings seriously, there's not a question whatsoever that it would be the biggest news story on the planet - perhaps of all time. Yet once again, it got minimal coverage.

I've only seen a few people die, yet I know that millions do, because there's mounds of data, and I've been to viewings. In short, there is extremely compelling evidence. Bigfoot - no, there isn't. In fact, to me it is impossible that a giant anthropoid lives in the wild, because to be genetically viable, there would need to be tens of thousands of them.

My skepticism of aliens is not some pre-determined belief or some religios conviction - I am just not convinced.

 

[Clem72]

And yet you believe in God. So that's the point where we agree to disagree, shake hands, and walk away.

But but, God has a very popular series of books. What books have the aliens released that even made the NYT Best Sellers list?

 

[Kyle]

But but, God has a very popular series of books. What books have the aliens released that even made the NYT Best Sellers list?

 

[SamSpade]

I don't think it would sell well HERE - maybe in Donner Pass....

 

[Kyle]

I don't think it would sell well HERE - maybe in Donner Pass....

There is a huge homeless problem to be solved.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

"Time" is a construct of man. Which was made using the revolutions of our Earth around the Sun. Outside our Earth, galaxy, "time" does not exist.

But what does limit the speed of a proton, which has no mass? What is in the void of space that is the speed limiter which limits the speed of light, a proton, based on our time measurement to 186,000 miles per second? Why isn't it faster?

 

[Hijinx]

I'm really referring to before the words were put into manuscript form. It was all word-of-mouth. That's where the telephone game plays in. And just because they were written down doesn't make them fact or truths. They are just stories, and a high likelihood, fictional.

Believe what you like, It's America. ------------Well, it used to be America.

 

[vraiblonde]

I'm partly questioning the TIMING also, of the UFO hearings. Somehow, when something potentially embarassing starts to happen with Joe, out pops the Easter Bunny. When a big news items threatens to appear or starts to emerge, something ELSE supercedes its spot on the front page. If

Oh no doubt. If Mars attacks I hope they hit the Capitol during the next SOTU. But we're not talking about the corruption of our government, we're talking about the possibility of another advanced civilization somewhere in the universe. Just because those lying tards are using it to distract us doesn't mean it's not true.

 

[Kyle]

For your consideration ...

"Time" is a construct of man. Which was made using the revolutions of our Earth around the Sun. Outside our Earth, galaxy, "time" does not exist.

But what does limit the speed of a proton, which has no mass? What is in the void of space that is the speed limiter which limits the speed of light, a proton, based on our time measurement to 186,000 miles per second? Why isn't it faster?

eh... Protons are heavy compared to neutrinos. They're the particle of least mass known. Also the fastest.

They're so low in mass they're practically a hole in space.

Neutrinos can be thought of as massholes.

 

[SamSpade]

There is a huge homeless problem to be solved.

 

[SamSpade]

eh... Protons are heavy compared to neutrinos. They're the particle of least mass known. Also the fastest.

They're so low in mass they're practically a hole in space.

Neutrinos can be thought of as massholes.

He may be confusing "proton" - which is pretty damned heavy - to "photon" - which is massless.

 

[Kyle]

He may be confusing "proton" - which is pretty damned heavy - to "photon" - which is massless.

If the proton is the J-Lo of particles, photon is the Twiggy.

The Neutron is Kim Kardashian.

 

[Tech]

I'm partly questioning the TIMING also, of the UFO hearings. Somehow, when something potentially embarassing starts to happen with Joe, out pops the Easter Bunny.

 

[Kyle]