SamSpade
Well-Known Member
If China decided to invade North Korea - I wouldn't be against arming the Koreans, especially if they showed the resolve to resist them for a year. If they invaded Vietnam, there's no question I'd be on the Vietnamese side.
In Ukraine, to me it's not a matter of good triumphing over evil. This is not fighting back oppression from evil overlords. This is a really big evil overlord trying to conquer a somewhat less evil overlord - except that in the process, MILLIONS of innocent people get slaughtered in the process. I don't care if you disbelieve some of the atrocities - and many may be exaggerated - some of them are trickling back from the Russian troops themselves, and some of the reports of atrocities and war crimes have come from deserters from the Russian army who never expected to be in a war in the first place.
We're fighting a war with Russia with Ukrainians as our proxy, depleting THEIR resources faster than they can recover. Frankly, they're lucky that Ukraine has never had the means to invade BACK, because if that happened, I imagine it'd be a generation before both sides would recover.
THAT - plus the fact that Russia has been rattling its sabers for decades since the fall of the USSR, and they clearly have been pulling stunts to try and re-conquer all of them. They've provoked Georgia and in the North, tried to instigate trouble in the Baltic states (they're NATO now, so not lately). There's now two regions of Georgia they're trying to regain. They'd like to retake all of their former land around the Black Sea and they want Moldova - and make Ukraine land-locked.
I'd like to see their asses kicked. They've been shooting and bombing unarmed civilians. This is textbook Russian behavior - and I'd like to see it punished.
In Ukraine, to me it's not a matter of good triumphing over evil. This is not fighting back oppression from evil overlords. This is a really big evil overlord trying to conquer a somewhat less evil overlord - except that in the process, MILLIONS of innocent people get slaughtered in the process. I don't care if you disbelieve some of the atrocities - and many may be exaggerated - some of them are trickling back from the Russian troops themselves, and some of the reports of atrocities and war crimes have come from deserters from the Russian army who never expected to be in a war in the first place.
We're fighting a war with Russia with Ukrainians as our proxy, depleting THEIR resources faster than they can recover. Frankly, they're lucky that Ukraine has never had the means to invade BACK, because if that happened, I imagine it'd be a generation before both sides would recover.
THAT - plus the fact that Russia has been rattling its sabers for decades since the fall of the USSR, and they clearly have been pulling stunts to try and re-conquer all of them. They've provoked Georgia and in the North, tried to instigate trouble in the Baltic states (they're NATO now, so not lately). There's now two regions of Georgia they're trying to regain. They'd like to retake all of their former land around the Black Sea and they want Moldova - and make Ukraine land-locked.
I'd like to see their asses kicked. They've been shooting and bombing unarmed civilians. This is textbook Russian behavior - and I'd like to see it punished.
