US Marines killed innocent women and children

[vraiblonde]

You can make what if scenarios all the time, but it won't make it right.

That's not a "what if" scenario - that's the fact of what's going on over there. For a military guy, you sure don't seem to know alot about a war that you're supposed to be supporting.

 

[Bustem' Down]

That's not a "what if" scenario - that's the fact of what's going on over there. For a military guy, you sure don't seem to know alot about a war that you're supposed to be supporting.

I know quite a bit. I know that the rules of engagement prevent the killing of innocent civilians and that makes it against the law and wrong. If it turns out that they were not innocent, then fine, if they were then the marines should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. If they were charging the marines apparently unarmed and would not stop, then ok, it sucks, butit happens, but if they were just shot up in thier own home for no reason than they were suspect then it's wrong.

 

[Bustem' Down]

If it's so cut and dry, then why is it being investigated?

 

[Larry Gude]

We...

I know quite a bit. I know that the rules of engagement prevent the killing of innocent civilians and that makes it against the law and wrong. If it turns out that they were not innocent, then fine, if they were then the marines should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. If they were charging the marines apparently unarmed and would not stop, then ok, it sucks, butit happens, but if they were just shot up in thier own home for no reason than they were suspect then it's wrong.

..agree.

 

[Lugnut]

Unarmed civilians are not targets, period, no matter what you think. Going over there and terrorizing the civilian population just gives the insurgency more recruits and would not end the war quicker.

Unarmed civilians have been targets in every war since war was waged with sharp sticks. People may not like it but that's the way it is. Vrai's right, the touchy feely "Win the hearts and minds" approach to war isn't efficient and worse, puts American lives at risk.

War isn't a gentlemans game.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Unarmed civilians have been targets in every war since war was waged with sharp sticks. People may not like it but that's the way it is. Vrai's right, the touchy feely "Win the hearts and minds" approach to war isn't efficient and worse, puts American lives at risk.

War isn't a gentlemans game.

You seem to miss my point. I'm not saying to miss all civilians. Sometimes they get in the way and that sucks. I'm saying you don't go there with the intent of killing them.

 

[Lugnut]

You seem to miss my point. I'm not saying to miss all civilians. Sometimes they get in the way and that sucks. I'm saying you don't go there with the intent of killing them.

And my point is, if you go to war you kill EVERYTHING that even remotely resembles a threat.

Anything less hamstrings the effectiveness of the personnel on the ground, puts American lives at risk uneccessarily, and prolongs the war.

 

[frstabbo]

Hitler gassed millions of people in the war and it didnt help him win it.
Hitler used the civilians as slave labor and it didnt help him win it.

Killing innocent people just rallies the cause. That is the point. If the investigation reveals the marines were justified in killing them, then so be it. If not, then they should be put to death. The marines have paid compensation to these people so i doubt they were harbouring terrorists.

 

[Ken King]

I guess no one remembers the VC tactic of little children carrying grenades up to GIs and then pulling the pins. In a war zone anyone can be a hostile.

 

[PJay]

If there was heavy fighting going on in your neighborhood..would you stay? Or would you gather your family and get out of town?

You bleeding hearts make me sick. If I were running this war it would be over with. Not one of our boys or girls lives would be lost. I want the world to fear us, not love us. We see where trying to win hearts gets us.

 

[dck4shrt]

If there was heavy fighting going on in your neighborhood..would you stay? Or would you gather your family and get out of town?

You bleeding hearts make me sick. If I were running this war it would be over with. Not one of our boys or girls lives would be lost. I want the world to fear us, not love us. We see where trying to win hearts gets us.

I don't think thats gonna work. If we want to live the way we live, and have our freedoms and our prosperity, then we need real friends in the world, and not just ones that are paid to be our friends or are strong-armed into it.

 

[dck4shrt]

Hitler gassed millions of people in the war and it didnt help him win it.
Hitler used the civilians as slave labor and it didnt help him win it.

Why would you even go there? dumb dumb dumb.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I don't think thats gonna work. If we want to live the way we live, and have our freedoms and our prosperity, then we need real friends in the world, and not just ones that are paid to be our friends or are strong-armed into it.

Ummmmm....scuse me. Where are all these real friends?? Most of the world hates us.

I totally agree with Homesick (imagine that)

President Insmd would have had this war over in 2 weeks!!! Osama would be dust. Gas would be $.90 per gallon and as stated in another thread, a moat would be built along Mexico.


And I'd be unanimously reelected!!

 

[Larry Gude]

You are so far beyond...

Hitler gassed millions of people in the war and it didnt help him win it.
Hitler used the civilians as slave labor and it didnt help him win it.

Killing innocent people just rallies the cause. That is the point. If the investigation reveals the marines were justified in killing them, then so be it. If not, then they should be put to death. The marines have paid compensation to these people so i doubt they were harbouring terrorists.

...my ability to comprehend, words fail me.

What in the flying hell does Adolph Hitler have to do with any of this? Further, what in the hell does a dictatorship have to do with this? Lastly, what the hell does genocide have to do with this?

The closest Hitler comes to having ANYTHING to do with the subject of civilian populations interspersed with hostile individuals is how his forces handled it; In one small Czech town the Germans had occupied a German officer was assassinated. The Germans killed everyone. In the neighboring towns, for the duration of the war, no more German officers or soldiers were harmed.

 

[Lugnut]

I don't think thats gonna work. If we want to live the way we live, and have our freedoms and our prosperity, then we need real friends in the world, and not just ones that are paid to be our friends or are strong-armed into it.

I don't know of a US ally that doesn't fall into one or both of those categories.

 

[dck4shrt]

Ummmmm....scuse me. Where are all these real friends?? Most of the world hates us.

I totally agree with Homesick (imagine that)

President Insmd would have had this war over in 2 weeks!!! Osama would be dust. Gas would be $.90 per gallon and as stated in another thread, a moat would be built along Mexico.


And I'd be unanimously reelected!!

We seem to work out our differences just fine with most of Europe, Canada, China, Japan, India, parts of South America and SE Asia using diplomacy. Our trade with those parts of the world is relatively fair and both parties (in each case) prosper from it. If issues come up, they are dealt with w/o threats.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

We seem to work out our differences just fine with most of Europe, Canada, China, Japan, India, parts of South America and SE Asia using diplomacy. Our trade with those parts of the world is relatively fair and both parties (in each case) prosper from it. If issues come up, they are dealt with w/o threats.

I totally disagree and suggest you look at the trade slant.

Out of those you named, the only true friend is Great Britian (you didn't even name), maybe Japan. Europe cannot be grouped as a whole at all. The rest are NOT our friends regardless what they would like you to think.

 

[Lugnut]

We seem to work out our differences just fine with most of Europe, Canada, China, Japan, India, parts of South America and SE Asia using diplomacy. Our trade with those parts of the world is relatively fair and both parties (in each case) prosper from it. If issues come up, they are dealt with w/o threats.

Are you serious??? There are so many things wrong with your statement I don't even know where to start!

Ack! Why bother?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Are you serious??? There are so many things wrong with your statement I don't even know where to start!

Ack! Why bother?

That's why I kept mine so short. My head was reeling but I had to force myself to hold back.

UFB how uninformed folks are....

 

[Bustem' Down]

And my point is, if you go to war you kill EVERYTHING that even remotely resembles a threat.

Anything less hamstrings the effectiveness of the personnel on the ground, puts American lives at risk uneccessarily, and prolongs the war.

Yes, that resembles a threat. If they have no weapons, they are not a threat.