US Marines killed innocent women and children

[Bustem' Down]

Let me make it crystal clear for you since you're having a hard time grasping reality.

We have become so passive due to PC pansies like you that we're borderline pitiful. Hell, I fully understand their means and methods. They know we bow to you pansies so they use these tactics.

One or a group of terrorist (or suspects) takes refuge in a mosque, I level the mosque.

One or a group of terrorist (or suspects) takes refuge in a village, I level the village.

Pretty soon they see we won't pander to their tactics and there's no place to hide.

War isn't pretty. If you want it over with rapidly, you make it so atrocious that even these animals see we mean business.

But that's not how the military operates.

 

[vraiblonde]

AND...

Well then dont cry when one of the relatives of one of those civilians blows up one of our boys.

I have a very clear understanding of "us" and "them" and I know which side I'm on. I don't even try and pretend to be fair about it. So I'll cry over our boys as I see fit.

 

[vraiblonde]

But that's not how the military operates.

Darn shame. They'd be a lot more effective.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Darn shame. They'd be a lot more effective.

Oh yeah, I forgot, you know sooo much more about warfare than some Army brass who's been doing it for a living for 35 years.

A war of attrition is not always the best stratagey, especially if your final goal is to have a somewhat stable area after your done.

 

[vraiblonde]

Oh yeah, I forgot, you know sooo much more about warfare than some Army brass who's been doing it for a living for 35 years.

No, it's just that I'm not bound by the Geneva Convention. Similar to our insurgent brethren who can fight to win, and not worry about "minds and hearts".

 

[Bustem' Down]

No, it's just that I'm not bound by the Geneva Convention. Similar to our insurgent brethren who can fight to win, and not worry about "minds and hearts".

I'm not talking about minds and hearts either, that's political mumbo jumbo to make people at home feel warm and fuzzy. I'm talking about doing it right without a wholesale massacare like the military is trained for.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

But that's not how the military operates.

I agree with Vrai. Darn shame. If they did, these barbarians would think twice before messing with us.

The 35 year vets are controlled by a civilian politician. True military historians know how to rapidly win a war. Won't be pretty but will be VERY effective!!

I re quote:

War isn't pretty. If you want it over with rapidly, you make it so atrocious that even these animals see we mean business.

 

[Bustem' Down]

I agree with Vrai. Darn shame. If they did, these barbarians would think twice before messing with us.

The 35 year vets are controlled by a civilian politician. True military historians know how to rapidly win a war. Won't be pretty but will be VERY effective!!

I re quote:

Or in doing that, instead of 5 out of every 1000 going to the rebels, you drive 500 out of a 1000. A man or woman whose just lost thier family is not going to just say "Wow, they're mean!", they're going to turn and fight.

 

[Midnightrider]

I agree with Vrai. Darn shame. If they did, these barbarians would think twice before messing with us.

The 35 year vets are controlled by a civilian politician. True military historians know how to rapidly win a war. Won't be pretty but will be VERY effective!!

I re quote:

thats a huge part of the problem right there, your attitude that these aren't people, and that makes it OK to kill their unarmed women and children.

I don't want any unnecessary deaths on our side, but i don't think we should look at the iraqi people as vermin that need to be exterminated either.

 

[vraiblonde]

thats a huge part of the problem right there, your attitude that these aren't people, and that makes it OK to kill their unarmed women and children.

I don't want any unnecessary deaths on our side, but i don't think we should look at the iraqi people as vermin that need to be exterminated either.

You hear voices in your head, don't you? Because I don't see where Mike said anything of the kind.

 

[Midnightrider]

You hear voices in your head, don't you? Because I don't see where Mike said anything of the kind.

yeah, they say Vrai is a retard.......

 

[vraiblonde]

yeah, they say Vrai is a retard.......

 

[slik]

Tell that to the family who got wiped out by the marines..Hey little girl, we killed your family but you are better off with us here..Give me a break.

After an attempt on saddam's life, he responded by killing innocent people to "make it safe" for him and his boys.

After our marine died, we responded by killing innocent people to "make it safe for our boys"

you be the judge. Normal americans do not kill innocent unarmed people. This puts us down to their level. Lets not forget one thing..We may not like the saddamites, but it is their country not ours. Let them kill each other, but not our boys and girls. Keep some forces there to hunt terrorists, but bring em all back home alive and well.

"Normal americans do not kill innocent unarmed people" ? Whens the last time you checked the news. True, whether they are "normal" is questionable but it happens every day on the streets and in the homes in the US and these same people make up a small part of the whole. But they kill never the less and for a million different reasons. Certainly, the number of murderers, drug pusher, rapist or thugs in general total more then the 12-15 Marines being investigated for these killing. Does this mean that since there are killings on our streets daily that anyone that lives in America should be condemned or labelled as a murderer ?

Why is it that a woman can justify a killing while she is PMSing and claim they were innocent by reason of insanity ? Why is it that a man can kill someone because that person molested his child and certainly it would be temporary insanity ? But a group of Marines, after watching one of their own being brutally murdered should be completely exempt from feeling any emotions and should just carry on. They live with the fear that they will not get home. Constantly on guard. Doing their best to expect the unexpected. Over time that will take it's toll on any healthy mind.

Your quick to judge our Marines but do you know for a fact that the "innocent women and children" were indeed innocent ?

If it does turn out that these Marines killed in an "unprofessional" manner, I can only hope that they would be given the same type of compassion that a father, who killed the molester of his child, would.

My questions to you frstabbo is:
1) Have you ever served in the military ?
2) If your brother, sister, mother or father were murdered - would you seek revenge ?
3) Has the media ever been inaccurate ?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Or in doing that, instead of 5 out of every 1000 going to the rebels, you drive 500 out of a 1000. A man or woman whose just lost thier family is not going to just say "Wow, they're mean!", they're going to turn and fight.

No, I don't believe that for a minute. I'll give them credit as being smart people. I believe if they know we level anything believed to be harboring a terrorist, they will be bringing the insurgents to us in droves.

And if they don't then I was still correct and they should be annihilated to begin with.

Put yourself in their shoes.... A superior force is here and has demonstrated that they mean business. You and your family are in the town. The terrorists take refuge in your house/town. Now you know how this superior force operates. What do you do??

A. Turn the terrorists in asap...
B. Harbor them KNOWING you will be wiped out...

No brainer here.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

thats a huge part of the problem right there, your attitude that these aren't people, and that makes it OK to kill their unarmed women and children.

I don't want any unnecessary deaths on our side, but i don't think we should look at the iraqi people as vermin that need to be exterminated either.

Look, I can't type any slower for you to understand.

See my last post and try to comprehend.

 

[Bustem' Down]

No, I don't believe that for a minute. I'll give them credit as being smart people. I believe if they know we level anything believed to be harboring a terrorist, they will be bringing the insurgents to us in droves.

And if they don't then I was still correct and they should be annihilated to begin with.

Put yourself in their shoes.... A superior force is here and has demonstrated that they mean business. You and your family are in the town. The terrorists take refuge in your house/town. Now you know how this superior force operates. What do you do??

A. Turn the terrorists in asap...
B. Harbor them KNOWING you will be wiped out...

No brainer here.

You forgot C. Harbor them out of fear.

You have armed insurgents in your home, if you do not co-operate they kill your family. If you do co-operate, you may get killed by the americans if you get caught.

 

[slik]

Look, I can't type any slower for you to understand.

See my last post and try to comprehend.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mikeinsmd again.

 

[residentofcre]

One day a year we honor those who gave their lives so that we can speak openly in any American Forum.

There are some families who honor more than a dozen generations of honorable family members who fought so that we could be free....

I find it incredibly sad that the person who started this thread cannot put aside their need for this sort of sleezy "free speech" for just one day so that we may honor those who sacrificed so much for you and me....

The person who started this thread is a selfish coward...

 

[Midnightrider]

You forgot C. Harbor them out of fear.

You have armed insurgents in your home, if you do not co-operate they kill your family. If you do co-operate, you may get killed by the americans if you get caught.

and D)
Harbor them because you know just the fact that they came to your village means that you will shot by the american forces.

at that point you might as well join them, guilt by association and all.

 

[vraiblonde]

and D)
Harbor them because you know just the fact that they came to your village means that you will shot by the american forces.

at that point you might as well join them, guilt by association and all.

This is one of the things I loathe the most about liberals - that "lay down and give up" attitude.

You may find this hard to believe, but not everyone is as big a pansy as you are. Some people would actually fight for their home and their country. I'm sure this comes as a shock to you, and you probably don't believe it, but it's true.