US Marines killed innocent women and children

[Lugnut]

Yes, that resembles a threat. If they have no weapons, they are not a threat.

What?!

I think we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[ylexot]

"Private Joker: How can you shoot women or children?
Door Gunner: Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war hell?"

-Full Metal Jacket

 

[frstabbo]

I guess no one remembers the VC tactic of little children carrying grenades up to GIs and then pulling the pins. In a war zone anyone can be a hostile.

Does that mean we should exterminate all children as well..whats your point?
I agree we should be carefull with everyone but still you dont shoot innocent people.

 

[Bustem' Down]

What?!

I think we will have to agree to disagree.

How are they a threat without weapons?

 

[Bustem' Down]

In a war zone anyone can be a hostile.

Yes everyone can be hostile, but not everyone is.

 

[dck4shrt]

I totally disagree and suggest you look at the trade slant.

Out of those you named, the only true friend is Great Britian (you didn't even name), maybe Japan. Europe cannot be grouped as a whole at all. The rest are NOT our friends regardless what they would like you to think.

In the game of world diplomacy, if you don't have wars with one another, if you can trade with one another, if you don't have to line their pockets with bajillions of dollars to go along with what you say, and if you can agree to disagree on things at times when something is not in both of your interests, then you are friends.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

In the game of world diplomacy, if you don't have wars with one another, if you can trade with one another, if you don't have to line their pockets with bajillions of dollars to go along with what you say, and if you can agree to disagree on things at times when something is not in both of your interests, then you are friends.

Knock knock, anybody home????

Again,

I totally disagree and suggest you look at the trade slant.

 

[dck4shrt]

Knock knock, anybody home????

Again,

What does a trade imbalance have to do with not being friends? If you're talking about tarriff's and trade agreements, then I'll point to those situations where we have to look at our best interests. We have tarriffs on Brazilian ethanol so that our industries can compete/have incentive to ramp up production. We are not going to war with Brazil anytime soon because of this.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

What does a trade imbalance have to do with not being friends? If you're talking about tarriff's and trade agreements, then I'll point to those situations where we have to look at our best interests. We have tarriffs on Brazilian ethanol so that our industries can compete/have incentive to ramp up production. We are not going to war with Brazil anytime soon because of this.

You said we need "real" friends and that the trade balances were fair. I dispute both ideas. We can count on one hand the number of real friends we have.

We should not be here to be liked. We worked for our prosperity and we supply more aid to other countries than any other nation on the planet!!

If we have to wipe out a village in a hostile place to ensure our boys are safe then so be it!!

 

[dck4shrt]

You said we need "real" friends and that the trade balances were fair. I dispute both ideas. We can count on one hand the number of real friends we have.

We should not be here to be liked. We worked for our prosperity and we supply more aid to other countries than any other nation on the planet!!

If we have to wipe out a village in a hostile place to ensure our boys are safe then so be it!!

What is your definition of a 'real' friend in terms of global diplomacy? I laid out my definition already.

So should we pick a fight with Brazil and take their ethanol, or should we agree to disagree with them and put a tariff on their ethanol?

 

[reelsdeals]

I think the real point of what happened is the reaction of a group of young men and women constantly under life of death situations that had just witnessed one of their own killed by hostile actions. Who knows what were going through their heads as they tried to react to what had just happened. I have been to Kuwait and the UAE and several other Middle Eastern countries with the Military and have constantly been under constand objection to our being there. I don't know what 90% of what they were saying, but if looks and expressions could kill, I wouldn't be posting this. I had a friend that fell asleep in a taxi on the way to our hotel and woke up with an AK-47 in his temple. Luckily he was only robbed and roughed up a little and only left with his flip flops and boxer shorts. This is the kind of people my brothers and sister in the military are facing daily and hourly. These are cold blooded killers and will kill for no reason. We don't want to be there no more than they want us there. Give our heros the credit they deserve and the benefit of the doubt. The truth will come out and if it is they acted against the rules of war, then they will be punished justly. The investigation is being handled by professionals. What more do we want? We aren't facing conventional warfare and haven't since 9/11. The truth will come out, but like all things, it just takes time.

A problem is the opportunity for improvement.

 

[frstabbo]

If we have to wipe out a village in a hostile place to ensure our boys are safe then so be it!!

Well then dont cry when one of the relatives of one of those civilians blows up one of our boys. That would be called revenge. Thats what we should avoid. Needless killing. Our boys will never be safe there and killing innocent people makes it more unsafe. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute.

you lived under a dictator. You get invaded under the assumption your country has mass weapons. No weapons found and the invaders never leave.
Bad people in your country killed some of the invaders and the invaders shoot up your family. What would you do?

 

[vraiblonde]

you lived under a dictator. You get invaded under the assumption your country has mass weapons. No weapons found and the invaders never leave.
Bad people in your country killed some of the invaders and the invaders shoot up your family. What would you do?

You are certifiably nuts. Have you not been paying attention to the Saddam Hussein trial? Or to anything that's been going on in that country since that lunatic took over?

WE are not the bad people. The leftover Saddamites who are pissed because they can't cut off body parts and rape the women and little girls - THOSE are the bad people.

I will suggest to you that the majority of Iraqis don't give a damn about WMD.

 

[vraiblonde]

We seem to work out our differences just fine with most of Europe, Canada, China, Japan, India, parts of South America and SE Asia using diplomacy.

They're not nutjobs with a religious ax to grind.

It's amazing to me people whose worldview is so unsophisticated that they can't conceive of anyone being different from them and their own culture.

 

[dck4shrt]

They're not nutjobs with a religious ax to grind.

It's amazing to me people whose worldview is so unsophisticated that they can't conceive of anyone being different from them and their own culture.

Point taken.

Although this started when someone said that they wanted the world to fear us, not like us, and I disagree with that view.

 

[vraiblonde]

Although this started when someone said that they wanted the world to fear us, not like us, and I disagree with that view.

Obviously them wanting to be friendly with us because we share common values and goals is the ideal. Barring that, fear is just fine with me.

I equate everything to raising children:

First you try and talk sense into them. If that fails, you whip their ass.

 

[frstabbo]

You are certifiably nuts. Have you not been paying attention to the Saddam Hussein trial? Or to anything that's been going on in that country since that lunatic took over?

WE are not the bad people. The leftover Saddamites who are pissed because they can't cut off body parts and rape the women and little girls - THOSE are the bad people.

I will suggest to you that the majority of Iraqis don't give a damn about WMD.

Tell that to the family who got wiped out by the marines..Hey little girl, we killed your family but you are better off with us here..Give me a break.

After an attempt on saddam's life, he responded by killing innocent people to "make it safe" for him and his boys.

After our marine died, we responded by killing innocent people to "make it safe for our boys"

you be the judge. Normal americans do not kill innocent unarmed people. This puts us down to their level. Lets not forget one thing..We may not like the saddamites, but it is their country not ours. Let them kill each other, but not our boys and girls. Keep some forces there to hunt terrorists, but bring em all back home alive and well.

 

[Ken King]

Does that mean we should exterminate all children as well..whats your point?
I agree we should be carefull with everyone but still you dont shoot innocent people.

I didn't say kill them all, my point is that we truly do not know what went on in this incident and therefore cannot say whether those dead were a threat or not.

 

[vraiblonde]

Tell that to the family who got wiped out by the marines..Hey little girl, we killed your family but you are better off with us here..Give me a break.

After an attempt on saddam's life, he responded by killing innocent people to "make it safe" for him and his boys.

After our marine died, we responded by killing innocent people to "make it safe for our boys"

you be the judge. Normal americans do not kill innocent unarmed people. This puts us down to their level. Lets not forget one thing..We may not like the saddamites, but it is their country not ours. Let them kill each other, but not our boys and girls. Keep some forces there to hunt terrorists, but bring em all back home alive and well.

Boy howdy

You do realize, I hope, that we're not there just kicking in doors for the hell of it, right? That there are more people who live in Iraq than just Saddam's disciples?

And you keep saying "innocent" - what does that mean? Just because someone is currently unarmed does not make them innocent. If they were harboring terrorists or planting explosive devices, they were not innocent.

I find people like you interesting - you're so quick to attribute guilt to your countrymen, and innocence to Iraqis. Why? Next will you call yourself a "patriot"?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Well then dont cry when one of the relatives of one of those civilians blows up one of our boys. That would be called revenge. Thats what we should avoid. Needless killing. Our boys will never be safe there and killing innocent people makes it more unsafe. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute.

you lived under a dictator. You get invaded under the assumption your country has mass weapons. No weapons found and the invaders never leave.
Bad people in your country killed some of the invaders and the invaders shoot up your family. What would you do?

Let me make it crystal clear for you since you're having a hard time grasping reality.

We have become so passive due to PC pansies like you that we're borderline pitiful. Hell, I fully understand their means and methods. They know we bow to you pansies so they use these tactics.

One or a group of terrorist (or suspects) takes refuge in a mosque, I level the mosque.

One or a group of terrorist (or suspects) takes refuge in a village, I level the village.

Pretty soon they see we won't pander to their tactics and there's no place to hide.

War isn't pretty. If you want it over with rapidly, you make it so atrocious that even these animals see we mean business.