Went up to Atlantic Cycle today

[itsbob]

See, power isn't much of an issue for me. They all have more than enough to do something stupid with. I'm more interested in value/reliability/handling (which is why I'll probably never buy a Harley ).

Power does have a purpose though.. it may get you out of trouble..

Two up riding, at 80 your bike could be sloggin it, or could be right in the middlle of it's power band in 5th or 6th gear.. less wear on the bike, smoother ride.. OH, and braggin rights..

I had a 650 loaner, and that bike was fighting to stay at 70 - 75.. you could feel it through the bike that it was not comfortable at 80, and neither was I.. 65 was where that bike was the most comfortable.

Granted there are no real hills here, and other then my 100 pound daughter I don't do too much two up riding.. but I can imagine in the mountains with two adults, my bike wouldn't be as nice, or climb the hills as well.. WIth me and BG I'm sure it would break a sweat if we were riding the Alps, or going through the Rockies..

 

[itsbob]

I think BMW has just about peaked the power output on the Boxer before they shake it apart. I suspect their numbers too. If you look on their websites when they list specs they put 98 octane gas because they have stepped up the compression ratio. The next step is racing fuel, which costs $6+ a gallon and is not available. Not really right calling something 112HP with fuel that is not really available.

If you do a head to head with the R1200 bikes the ST and FJR have everything the BMW's have for thousands less. The K1200GT bikes really don't have anything on the ST or FJR either for $6K more. Too me, given the Boxer is the ugliest looking motor out there with the heads sticking out a foot on both sides and it is $5K more it would be a no brainer ST would be my choice.

The only thing the boxer has is ease of maintenance.. and longevity.. but your right.. it's a face only a mother could love. I think the fair comparison would be the K-GT against the FJR and the ST.. and I'm sure one of the motorcycle mag's will do a head to head eval soon.. and I'll be one of the first to buy the magazine to see what they say.

And the engine is only one part of the equation.. braking, suspension, and airflow too.. but unless you can take all the bikes out and ride them how can you tell which is better.. believe the salesman?

 

[Pete]

See, power isn't much of an issue for me. They all have more than enough to do something stupid with. I'm more interested in value/reliability/handling (which is why I'll probably never buy a Harley ).

Well as far as value/reliability is concerned Harley is not a bad choice...if you want a cruiser. Look at resale, availability of aftermarket accessories and parts, and the reliability of the 88 and you will not find alot of complaints. As far as handling you are right but Harley does not make a drag the foot pegs, pop a wheelie going 80 down 235 bike. People don't buy Harley's to pop wheelies or drag pegs at Deal's Gap. It always cracks me up when people try to compare sport bikes to Harley's and point out the differences like they are on to some big consumer secret. It is like someone comparing a Porsche to a Caprice Classic and pointing out the horsepower difference.

 

[ylexot]

Well as far as value/reliability is concerned Harley is not a bad choice...if you want a cruiser.

Really? Always heard that they had pretty bad reliability (compared to Jap bikes) and as for value...I can buy two or three Yamahas for the price of one Harley :shrug:

Look at resale, availability of aftermarket accessories and parts, and the reliability of the 88 and you will not find alot of complaints.

Ok, Harley's have resale value, but after you consider all the interest you pay on your $30k bike loan, it's probably a wash. Aftermarket...there's plenty for my bike and mine isn't even a popular model :shrug: Oh yeah, and I HATE chrome (another reason I'll probably never get a Harley).

It always cracks me up when people try to compare sport bikes to Harley's and point out the differences like they are on to some big consumer secret. It is like someone comparing a Porsche to a Caprice Classic and pointing out the horsepower difference.

That might be a good comparison if the Porsche cost half of the price of the Caprice. I wonder how many people would buy the Caprice if it cost $100k?

 

[snuzzy]

Atlantic cycle strikes me as expensive. Especially with the big new building.

We took the drive yesterday to Brooklyn Cycle World, Ritchie Highway, Baltimore. Prices were much more reasonable than we found at Atlantic Cycle. We have a street bike and several dirt bikes. We have been mostly buying equipment/maintenance items, but still worth the drive for the price and courteous, professional service. We have not liked the service at Atlantic Cycle, we've been 3x's in the past 2 months and each time we felt like we were in the way. Cycle World, on the other hand... very nice and attentive service..

 

[itsbob]

We took the drive yesterday to Brooklyn Cycle World, Ritchie Highway, Baltimore. Prices were much more reasonable than we found at Atlantic Cycle. We have a street bike and several dirt bikes. We have been mostly buying equipment/maintenance items, but still worth the drive for the price and courteous, professional service. We have not liked the service at Atlantic Cycle, we've been 3x's in the past 2 months and each time we felt like we were in the way. Cycle World, on the other hand... very nice and attentive service..

But do they let you test ride the bikes??

I won't buy a bike without riding it first..

 

[Pete]

Really? Always heard that they had pretty bad reliability (compared to Jap bikes) and as for value...

I heard Jimmy Hoffa was burried at a horse farm in Michigan.

I can buy two or three Yamahas for the price of one Harley :shrug:

Not really, A VTX Honda cost $13,400 a Road King Costs $17,700, go look at them and tell me the fit, finish and style is better on the Honda. I have had 2 Honda's and I can tell you the ride is totally different. You CAN buy 2 disposable crotch rockets for the price of a Harley after 2 years you can add their blue book together and still wouldn't be 50% of the cost of a 2 year old Harley.

Ok, Harley's have resale value, but after you consider all the interest you pay on your $30k bike loan, it's probably a wash.

Harley's don't cost $30,000. The most expensive is a Ultra Classic and those are out the door $22K tax, title, tags and additional 3 year warranty.

Aftermarket...there's plenty for my bike and mine isn't even a popular model :shrug:

I had 2 Honda's, finding anything other than grips, fake chrome plastic horn cover was a PITA.

Oh yeah, and I HATE chrome (another reason I'll probably never get a Harley).

They probably wouldn't sell you a Harley anyway if they ever found out about your "Thundercat! Thundercat! Thundercat!" chant.

That might be a good comparison if the Porsche cost half of the price of the Caprice. I wonder how many people would buy the Caprice if it cost $100k?

People who want a Caprice would :shrug:

 

[Pete]

We took the drive yesterday to Brooklyn Cycle World, Ritchie Highway, Baltimore. Prices were much more reasonable than we found at Atlantic Cycle. We have a street bike and several dirt bikes. We have been mostly buying equipment/maintenance items, but still worth the drive for the price and courteous, professional service. We have not liked the service at Atlantic Cycle, we've been 3x's in the past 2 months and each time we felt like we were in the way. Cycle World, on the other hand... very nice and attentive service..

They only sell Suzuki?

 

[snuzzy]

They only sell Suzuki?

They sell everything. Itsbob, I think they will let you test drive, but as we weren't shopping for bikes, I can't say for sure.










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[Ponytail]

For helmets, try www.helmetharbour.com. I just bought a jacket from there. top of the line stuff and free shipping deals on alot of it. I got turned on to them through the BadWeb. (Buell Forum)

My roomy raves about his FJ that he used to have, and about how much he'd like to get another one. You had one Honda Pete, and as I remember, you weren't happy. Otherwise, you'd still have it, right?

For m/c's, tourers especially, torque is the number you should be looking at. HP is overrated. My Buell only makes about 100HP, but it also makes 100 ft-lbs of torque. HP is what keeps you at speed. Torque is what gets you there. How often re you going to try to get to and hold 100mph+? And, M/C's are so light and aerodynamic compared to a cars that have similar HP, HP is irrelevant. It might make a difference to cars for mpg's, but bikes don't see it, unless you're that 500lb guy on the sportster that Iv'e seen zipping around here. Among other things, aerodynamics goes RIGHT out the window, figuratively speaking.

 

[Pete]

For helmets, try www.helmetharbour.com. I just bought a jacket from there. top of the line stuff and free shipping deals on alot of it. I got turned on to them through the BadWeb. (Buell Forum)

My roomy raves about his FJ that he used to have, and about how much he'd like to get another one. You had one Honda Pete, and as I remember, you weren't happy. Otherwise, you'd still have it, right?

For m/c's, tourers especially, torque is the number you should be looking at. HP is overrated. My Buell only makes about 100HP, but it also makes 100 ft-lbs of torque. HP is what keeps you at speed. Torque is what gets you there. How often re you going to try to get to and hold 100mph+? And, M/C's are so light and aerodynamic compared to a cars that have similar HP, HP is irrelevant. It might make a difference to cars for mpg's, but bikes don't see it, unless you're that 500lb guy on the sportster that Iv'e seen zipping around here. Among other things, aerodynamics goes RIGHT out the window, figuratively speaking.

www.helmetshop.com

True, but I had a different Honda. I am keeping my Road King but who knows I might buy a Buell and pop wheelies down 235.

 

[BS Gal]

I'm just saying I look pretty cute on my 250 and ALSO in my convertible. That's all I have to say.

 

[Pete]

I'm just saying I look pretty cute on my 250 and ALSO in my convertible. That's all I have to say.

I don't have enough driveway/garage space for another car and all the bikes I am buying.

 

[BS Gal]

I don't have enough driveway/garage space for another car and all the bikes I am buying.

The 94 t-bird I refuse to give up is parked in front of the 22 foot boat that is on the fritz, the 3 bikes are in the garage. Hubby is groaning about some 97 Mustang convertible and I'm driving the new convertible I can't even put in the garage.

 

[aps45819]

Harley's don't cost $30,000. The most expensive is a Ultra Classic and those are out the door $22K tax, title, tags and additional 3 year warranty.

try $32K
the price is listed in the "specs"

 

[Pete]

try $32K
the price is listed in the "specs"

Thats a specially build model by the Custom Vehicle Operations department. Limited edition hand built bikes are an exception.

 

[aps45819]

Thats a specially build model by the Custom Vehicle Operations department. Limited edition hand built bikes are an exception.

Bite the weenie

 

[Ponytail]

www.helmetshop.com

True, but I had a different Honda. I am keeping my Road King but who knows I might buy a Buell and pop wheelies down 235.

http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes_gear/ulysses/index.asp

 

[itsbob]

http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes_gear/ulysses/index.asp

If you are going to go, go big!!

http://www.webbikeworld.com/BMW-motorcycles/r-1200-gs-adventure/bmw-r-1200-gs-adventure.jpg

http://www.webbikeworld.com/BMW-motorcycles/r-1200-gs-adventure/bmw-r-1200-gs-adventure-front.jpg

And they'll custom paint it ANY color you want for another $395

 

[Ponytail]

If you are going to go, go big!!

http://www.webbikeworld.com/BMW-motorcycles/r-1200-gs-adventure/bmw-r-1200-gs-adventure.jpg

http://www.webbikeworld.com/BMW-motorcycles/r-1200-gs-adventure/bmw-r-1200-gs-adventure-front.jpg

And they'll custom paint it ANY color you want for another $395

I don't like to say things like "never", but Bob, you'll never sell me on a BMW. No particular reason. Ignorance, perhaps. I just don't ever see me getting one, especially a GS. To big and bulky to go offroad, at least where I would want to go. For that, I'd get a dirtbike.

For me, real world, the Ulysis has my name all over it.

Look at the Cycle World review of the Ulysis...
http://www.buell.com/en_us/news_events/inthenews.asp

BUT, for YOU, I have on DVD, "Long Way Round". If you've never seen it, you might like it. Kind of long and drawn out, but what these guys see and expereince on their GS's while going around the world is amazing. Illl let ya borrow it if you are interested. Good rainy day stuff...you'll just need a few rainy days for it. It's 3 full length DVD's.