What is Islam?
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itsbob said:
Isn't that what I said, Bob? I guess you missed the summation at the end.
Hitler preached and wrote on thing, but to his close followers and friends, he despised Christianity. He used it as a tool. He was also quoted as stating that he had to be careful and use subterfuge with the Church in his use for it.
Although I believe most Muslems to be a peacful people this sort of behavior does not help with public relations
Do you accept the miracles of Jesus? His diciples also did miracles. There are miracles in the Christians church today. Therfore Christianity and the New Testemant is devine.abdulhaqq said:
There may be many denominations of Christians, but by and large, the Christian denominations don't go around killing other Christians like the Sunnis and Shia do.
I believe in one God. Period. End of discussion.abdulhaqq said:
The Qur'an was written by multiple people from notes from Mohamed years after his death. It has changed substantially over the years. Your contention that it is unchanged over 1400 years is a lie. Mohamed, by today's' standards in the U.S., would be a child molester at best since he had 12 year olds as wives, so I don't see where Mohamed would be free from sin.
Yep. I agree. Mohamed looks like a child molester, walked like a child molester, in all likelihood, Mohamed must have been a child molester.abdulhaqq said:
You, again, impose your human rules on God who is omnipotent and beyond your control.
You don't understand God. Neither do I. I don't pretend to like you do. You say I have blind faith because I quote the Bible. What of your blind faith when you quote the koran (since you insist on disrespecting the Bible)? You really don't understand the Bible at all, do you?abdulhaqq said:
This is one testimony that proclaims Jesus is the "the only begotten God."
This is a quote of Jesus. You, maybe all Muslims, have no idea who Jesus really is.
Look out. Jesus will be your judge.
So Jesus says He will raise all that believe in Him including me from the dead. Back to the duck. Looks like God, acts like God, talks like God. Yep. Must be God.
Jesus still looks like God to me.
No one, certainly not I said that God has any parts that are not eternal. Jesus lives. Islam keeps missing the resurrection of Jesus.abdulhaqq said:
Sorry about Mohamed. No resurrection there, huh?
Again, you don't have the foggiest idea.abdulhaqq said:
Notice this is the Old Testament; Jewish book of the Bible. God refers to Himself in the plural. One God, as many forms as He chooses.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I'd like to ask some questions...
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If the US were ruled by Sharia, what would happen to;
Abortion rights
Campaign finance reform
Illegal drug use
Gay rights
Illegal immigration
Seperation of church and state (I guess this is a trick question)
Pop culture (gangster rap, movies, dress)
Minimum wage
Energy policy
2nd amendment rights
federal tax policy
I'm interested.
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If the US were ruled by Sharia, what would happen to;
Abortion rights
Campaign finance reform
Illegal drug use
Gay rights
Illegal immigration
Seperation of church and state (I guess this is a trick question)
Pop culture (gangster rap, movies, dress)
Minimum wage
Energy policy
2nd amendment rights
federal tax policy
I'm interested.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
WOW, you are one ARROGANT Christian.. all the arguments you use against Islam, the same could be said about the Bible and Christianity.. but I guess THOSE arguments aren't valid becasue you didn't think of them, or that they are used to deride YOUR religion.2ndAmendment said:
And back to the "OUR saviour was resurrected, your's wasn't!!"
But I think the whole point to the Muslim side (shich is actually more believable) was that Muhamed was not a superbeing, he was not the son of God, he was a mortal man... no super powers..
So should we convert ALL the Muslims to your truth, or should we convert all the Christians to their Truth??
Islamicabdulhaqq said:
Jesus was in no way foretelling the coming of Mohamed. Why would a man have to come to save humanity when God had come? A man could do something God could not? According to Islamic understanding, but not according to Christian understanding.meelak said:
Jesus paid the price for everyone sins as long as you accept the gift of God. If you don't, ...
Again, you show your ignorance of Biblical understanding.
Since Jesus is God come as man, the Son of Man, He is fully God and man. He had to lay down His God-ship to die. All part of the plan of salvation. If He had not laid down His God-ship, He would not have died. If He had not died, our sins would still be unforgiven. After He died, He was put in a tomb. He rose from the dead on the third day. By that, He proved his God-ship by taking up His life again.
Dear 2nd Amendment,
My purpose in criticizing Christian Theology wasn't to make you feel bad about your religion because you have certain beliefs that are rationally indefensible, but to show that every religion has aspects of faith and reason.
There is absolutely no doubt, according to historians, that Islam is entirely comaptible wtih reason and Western civilization. The sheer fact that so many Western scientists, philosophers, and thinkers have consistently looked to Islam and Muslims for intellectual assistance shows that a peaceful synthesis is possible.
I've already given you a reference to Harry Wolfson's "The Philosophy of the Kalam" which is an extensive exposition between the philosohical contributions between Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/books/kalam.pdf
Here is another reference to the contribution of Muslims scholars and theologians to Western philosophy:
Among Western scholars of the history of philosophy, interest in and concern with medieval Islamic and Jewish tinkers is fairly recent. The traditional history of Western thought has usually held that it emerged from Greco-Roman thought, with the Islamic and Jewish thinkers functioning at best as middlemen, translating Hellenic and Hellenistic texts and commenting on them for the benefit of Christian medieval thinkers. The Islamic and Jewish thinkers were hardly considered important figures in their own right, except for Maimonides, who has been a most important and most problematic figure in Jewish thought for almost eight centuries. In recent decades, more and more scholars with the necessary linguistic training have been examining the achievements of Muslim and Jewish intellectuals from 800 onward. They are examining them both in their own right as significant thinkers and as important influences on later Western European thought. It is gradually being realized that a significant part of Western intellectual heritage relies upon the philosophical works of the Islamic world, and that developments in Muslim Spain from the tenth through the twelfth centuries played a major role in the development of Western philosophy. Critical editions of Muslim and Jewish texts have been published as well as translations of many of them into modern Western languages. One instance of the influence of these thinkers on later European ones is that seventeenth-century scholars such as G.W. Leibniz, Nicolas Malebranche, and Pierre Bayle are known to have read Maimonides in Latin and learned of al-Ghazali's occasionalism there.
-p 143 of "The Columbia Encyclopedia of Western Philosophy" -
As for everyone else, you're smear tactics have already been consistently addressed over and over in this thread. You cannot denigrate over 1.4 billion people on the actions of the few. If you don't feel that Muslims aren't doing enough to combat violence and other social ills in their communities, that is your personal opinion. It is not a historical fact. Throughout this thread, I have given reference to only articles, books, and major thinkers/scholars. Whereas the evidence that some of you have alluded to is either inconclusive, misinterpreted, xenophobic, or just weak.
With Peace,
Abdulhaqq
My purpose in criticizing Christian Theology wasn't to make you feel bad about your religion because you have certain beliefs that are rationally indefensible, but to show that every religion has aspects of faith and reason.
There is absolutely no doubt, according to historians, that Islam is entirely comaptible wtih reason and Western civilization. The sheer fact that so many Western scientists, philosophers, and thinkers have consistently looked to Islam and Muslims for intellectual assistance shows that a peaceful synthesis is possible.
I've already given you a reference to Harry Wolfson's "The Philosophy of the Kalam" which is an extensive exposition between the philosohical contributions between Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/books/kalam.pdf
Here is another reference to the contribution of Muslims scholars and theologians to Western philosophy:
Among Western scholars of the history of philosophy, interest in and concern with medieval Islamic and Jewish tinkers is fairly recent. The traditional history of Western thought has usually held that it emerged from Greco-Roman thought, with the Islamic and Jewish thinkers functioning at best as middlemen, translating Hellenic and Hellenistic texts and commenting on them for the benefit of Christian medieval thinkers. The Islamic and Jewish thinkers were hardly considered important figures in their own right, except for Maimonides, who has been a most important and most problematic figure in Jewish thought for almost eight centuries. In recent decades, more and more scholars with the necessary linguistic training have been examining the achievements of Muslim and Jewish intellectuals from 800 onward. They are examining them both in their own right as significant thinkers and as important influences on later Western European thought. It is gradually being realized that a significant part of Western intellectual heritage relies upon the philosophical works of the Islamic world, and that developments in Muslim Spain from the tenth through the twelfth centuries played a major role in the development of Western philosophy. Critical editions of Muslim and Jewish texts have been published as well as translations of many of them into modern Western languages. One instance of the influence of these thinkers on later European ones is that seventeenth-century scholars such as G.W. Leibniz, Nicolas Malebranche, and Pierre Bayle are known to have read Maimonides in Latin and learned of al-Ghazali's occasionalism there.
-p 143 of "The Columbia Encyclopedia of Western Philosophy" -
As for everyone else, you're smear tactics have already been consistently addressed over and over in this thread. You cannot denigrate over 1.4 billion people on the actions of the few. If you don't feel that Muslims aren't doing enough to combat violence and other social ills in their communities, that is your personal opinion. It is not a historical fact. Throughout this thread, I have given reference to only articles, books, and major thinkers/scholars. Whereas the evidence that some of you have alluded to is either inconclusive, misinterpreted, xenophobic, or just weak.
With Peace,
Abdulhaqq
The quote is your friend in forums.meelak said:
Why? We wanted to. Period. Tough zots. Life isn't fair. Get over it.
Charity in Islam
Those who spend their wealth in the way of Allah and do not follow up their spending by stressing their benevolence and causing hurt, will find their reward secure with their Lord. They have no cause for fear and grief. (Qur'an)
To speak a kind word and to forgive people's faults is better than charity followed by hurt. Allah is All-Sufficient, All-Forbearing. (Qur'an)
The Prophet said: If any Muslim plants something or sows seed from which a man, a bird or an animal eats, it counts as a charity for him.
Those who spend their wealth in the way of Allah and do not follow up their spending by stressing their benevolence and causing hurt, will find their reward secure with their Lord. They have no cause for fear and grief. (Qur'an)
To speak a kind word and to forgive people's faults is better than charity followed by hurt. Allah is All-Sufficient, All-Forbearing. (Qur'an)
The Prophet said: If any Muslim plants something or sows seed from which a man, a bird or an animal eats, it counts as a charity for him.
Yes, the crusades were an abomination. But Christians grew up. Muslims apparently haven't grown up yet. Maybe one of these days you guys will see the Light.abdulhaqq said:
"Islam itself prohibits forced conversions."
Tell that to the two reporters that had to "Covert" to be released when the were captured in Gaza.Ever heard that actions speak loader than words? The events of the Muslim world testify against Islam.
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I have the Light. The Holy Spirit lives within me. Maybe one of these days you will realize that you do have sin in your life and need the Savior that God provided, the Son of Man, God comes as man. I pray that you find the love of Jesus, God come as man.abdulhaqq said:Maybe some day, when you truly seek guidance, you will see the Light too.
You didn't provide what they want. They don't want someone who agrees with them. They want the argument, so they can proliferate their Islamic propaganda.Kain99 said: