What is Islam?
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I, for one, really don't care much about what you have to say. Bye now.abdulhaqq said:
Pushrod
Patriot
I still haven't seen any replies by our distinguished Muslim posters to my questions/accusations on page 25 of this thread.
I really don't know these answers and as long as I and others remain ignorant of why the Muslim community supports terrorism with it's silence, we will continue to be distrustful of Islam
I really don't know these answers and as long as I and others remain ignorant of why the Muslim community supports terrorism with it's silence, we will continue to be distrustful of Islam
vraiblonde said:
You are right - "If Muslims suffer from bad PR, it's their own fault for not speaking up and making their voices heard".
But you have to understand the other side and look at the big picture to see why the majority of the muslims are coming across to the western people as not rejecting the barbaric acts of the minority muslims. First of all, the media is not showing the full picture. Several symposiums take place every week, clerics issuing fatwas against violence, discussions/debates against terrorism takes place - all those are not shown in the media. Second, you have to look at the socio-economic status/difficulties of the people living in some of these countries. If you are faced with the choice of participating in these religious, cross-cultural debates/symposiums, discussions groups or bringing home the bread going through the curfews, ethnic fightings, killings, etc. to your wife and children, which option will you take. In some parts of the world it is not as easy as sitting in your car, going to work and come back with the pay check. Life is really challenging and more challenging than what you and me are facing here. If I am one of them faced with so many hardships, my immediate focus would be on earning the livelihood and the future and then I will dedicate the left over time to educate the others. I hope people can understand this.
Wow. Muslims sure are a tolerant bunch aren't they? Loving and kind to those that don believe as they do. Kill, wipe out, du dah du dah.Kain99 said:
Christians are told to:
Anyone notice a difference?
Does anyone see a conflict here?
The Gospel says "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," and the Qur’an says "kill, wipe out, fight with them until there is no persecution, do not make friends with any but your own people.” Yep. No conflict there.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
THIS I believe with all my heart.. there is nothing so innocent on this earth as a newborn child.. They carry no sin.. no mistakes, no errors from past generations. They are wholly clean, and anyone that can look into a newborns eyes and say different has truly lost their mind.abdulhaqq said:
vraiblonde said:
Variblonde, I think you are being too naive or you are somebody who does not listen to any news. I can send you several links of abuses iraqis go through at the hands of the soldiers. The most recent being the case where a soldier raped a 14 year old girl and killed the rest of the family to cover up (this happened a while back but got leaked only recently). In my opinion, outraging somebody's modesty and making them live the rest of their life with that is worse than killing somebody - being a woman (if you are) you can better understand that. Search through the news and you will come across the exccesses the soliders are comitting over there. Don't look for it on CNN, etc.
vraiblonde said:The one we're fighting right now
Let me see, did they invite us over there or did we go over there on our free will and against the decision of the U.N and the world community?
If you look at the laws of the entire world. No country gives punishment of one person to his/her brother or sister or father or mother. If somebody does harm to me - I address it with him or I bring him to justice. If I give punishment to his brother then I am not being righteous and even though I may have muscle power and all that, deep inside me I will know that I was wrong in punishing that person's relative only because of the association.
vraiblonde said:
And how would you know that????? Let me guess, based on watching the media here. Have you been outside the country to see what is happening out there. That is exactly what my point is. People are blindly believing what the media wants to portray and we all know who own the media in this country and why they want to portray in a certain way. Look beyond that - you will see the bigger picture. Nowadays you have internet and access to lot more than what you get from TV.
Pushrod
Patriot
Homesick said:
Thanks Homesick, I should have looked before I posted.
Anyway, my challenge still stands for any Muslim out there concerning my questions on page 26 of this thread.
So far they are doing a great job of ignoring these issues. Not looking good for you guys.....
Come -on, take a break from strapping explosives to each others chests and answer the questions!
Paul
The Proud Infidel
Actually, I was wrong. You did sort of add something. I thought about that after I had posted. I think you posted (I'm not going to look it up) my Savior is better than your Savior. Which brings up the point that Islam does not have a Savior.itsbob said:
As to Baptists, or the Mormons.. or the 7th Day Adventist's ... every denomination has its own problems. I was just told by a Baptist (I used to go to a Baptist church) that they are going to vote to forbid the speaking in tongues even in private. Of course this is in conflict with the Bible.
I would be remiss as a Christian to allow the Islamic propaganda to go without a Christian perspective. You say you aren't a Christian (Isn't that you?), so I would not expect you to get into the fray.
Pete said:Are you honestly trying to draw a parrallel between Christians and Nazi's?
You really need to go back to recruiting school
And next you are going to wonder out loud why people here are close minded towads Islam.
Pete,
We don't need new recruiters. The recruiters we already have are doing a tremendous job in reaching out to people and showing them what islam is really all about and people are getting to know the religion - thank god for that. Just look around and do you know which is the fastest growing religion in America as of today? Do you know which is the fastest growing religion in Europe today? Even with all the mischief some bad muslims are doing and the negative portayal by the media, islam is growing fast. Imagine how it will be if all the muslim truly followed the scripture and behaved as allah commands them to.
We can only share about the religion based on Qur'an and the Hadeeth. The inspiration should come from god for people to see and pick the right path. As I said, when it comes to religious beliefs, there is no compulsion. But the right path is distinct from the path of error. Once people get the message, it is up to them to make the decision. But atleast in the heareafter they cannot reason to god that they did not get the message.
Dear 2ndAmendment,
Actually, in Islam, we have a savior and his name is Jesus and he will defeat the anti-christ.
We believe that Jesus was a righteous prophet of God who was born of a miraculous birth of the Virgin Mary who some Muslim scholars consider a prophet. In fact, there is an entire chapter in the Qu'ran devoted to her (peace be upon them both).
We believe that God is one without partners. He begets not nor is He begotten and their is nothing like Him.
God's intimate mercy for mankind is expressed through His will and has sent thousands of prophets to give mankind guidance. There is no need to repent through Jesus because one can repent directly to God, who is All Powerful and Free from All Needs.
Furthermore, we don't accept the crucifiction (since there is no original sin since human beings are born pure with an inner disposition towards good and guidance) and believe that Jesus will return and bring the world back to the rightful guidance of One True God.
With Peace,
Abdulhaqq
Actually, in Islam, we have a savior and his name is Jesus and he will defeat the anti-christ.
We believe that Jesus was a righteous prophet of God who was born of a miraculous birth of the Virgin Mary who some Muslim scholars consider a prophet. In fact, there is an entire chapter in the Qu'ran devoted to her (peace be upon them both).
We believe that God is one without partners. He begets not nor is He begotten and their is nothing like Him.
God's intimate mercy for mankind is expressed through His will and has sent thousands of prophets to give mankind guidance. There is no need to repent through Jesus because one can repent directly to God, who is All Powerful and Free from All Needs.
Furthermore, we don't accept the crucifiction (since there is no original sin since human beings are born pure with an inner disposition towards good and guidance) and believe that Jesus will return and bring the world back to the rightful guidance of One True God.
With Peace,
Abdulhaqq