What is Islam?

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Kain99

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You guys have no idea how much pain, this subject has caused me. I think my hatred truly ran deeper than I can even describe.

However, over the past year and a half I have been exposed to more American Muslims than I ever imagined. They are thick in the healthcare industry.

I love some of these women. As if they were not associated.

It's been a very disconcerting time.

I think that bottom line... I have come to understand, that my hatred may have been misguided and in the end, it only hurt me.
 

aosmiles

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abdulhaqq said:
Dear Mikeinsmd

If you want to be irrational and bigoted and medieval and against reason and freedom, then go ahead and be my guest buddy. :razz:

I'm not a terrorist just because I'm Muslim. I've condemned terrorism openly and brazenly in various articles across the country, including the Capital and the Baltimore Sun.

Your bigoted remarks are a reflection of yourself, not me buddy. I pray that God opens your heart and mind to a more reasonable assessment of Muslims.

With Peace,
Abdulhaqq

PS: As a law student, I would advise you against making general statements against killing people, even if in jest. You could be prosecuted for the crime of conspirary if you took a substantial step towards the accomplishment of this crime. A substantial step could be many things, such as going to Walmart and looking at guns.
Dear Abudlhaqq:

You sign "with peace," yet do you have any idea what peace is? How can you call people "irrational" "uneducated" and "bigoted" and yet sign your posts "with peace"? That is a complete contradiction-you are building up strife and discontent so there can be no peace. Generally speaking, telling people in not so many words that they are stupid is not a good way to make friends in the forum...but then again, people are pretty good at throwing that right back at you.

As a note, since you are just a law student, you can't give advice or YOU run the risk of unauthorized practice of law and all the problems that that entails. So, watch what kind of advice you hand out.
 
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Kain99

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Do I still see these women strapping on bombs to kill me? Honestly, Yes.

I'm working on it.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
juggy4805 said:
Just like you said it isn't about the ones that live here. I am assuming that the poster who started this thread lives here and isn't a terrorist. Why can't he be free of harrasment and allowed to practice his religion?
Becasue in this country the Muslim imam takes advantage of the freedom of religion and the freedom of speech that is afforded to everyone.. They can sit in front of their temples and being the "holy one" in the room. fire up the crowd with their hate speech, and their anti-Jew diatribe without any repercussions from the government or private citizens.

NOW if ALL terrorists are Muslim. (NOT all Muslims being terrorists) wouldn't it make sense to watch and listen to Muslim temples.. but it was the MUSLIMS that complained the loudest that they were being "profiled" instead of offering help, they offered ways to make it more difficult to catch the terrorists.. but of course if I were Muslim I guess I too would think the best way to catch a Muslim terrorist would be to watch a 7th Day Adventist church instead of them.

So if you are Muslim, but not a terrorist, put your money where your mouth is.. Open up your temples, go to the Government and promise openess, give us the names of the people in the temple full of hate, trying to raise money for the terrorist groups.. and don't tell me they aren't there, we know they are.. Put up or shut up!!
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
aosmiles said:
Dear Abudlhaqq:

You sign "with peace," yet do you have any idea what peace is? How can you call people "irrational" "uneducated" and "bigoted" and yet sign your posts "with peace"? That is a complete contradiction-you are building up strife and discontent so there can be no peace. Generally speaking, telling people in not so many words that they are stupid is not a good way to make friends in the forum...but then again, people are pretty good at throwing that right back at you.

As a note, since you are just a law student, you can't give advice or YOU run the risk of unauthorized practice of law and all the problems that that entails. So, watch what kind of advice you hand out.
Peace is when they can live amongst a world population of Muslims, without the infidel.. the Christian or the Jew.. to interfere with their ways of life..
 
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Kain99

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itsbob said:
Peace is when they can live amongst a world population of Muslims, without the infidel.. the Christian or the Jew.. to interfere with their ways of life..
And that... Is the issue. We are infidels. Can't deny that.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
abdulhaqq said:
I pray to the God of Adam, the God of Noah, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses, the God of Jesus, and and the God of Muhammad (peace be upon them all).
Then why is it that the Islamic countries want Israel annihilated? After all, the Jews also worship the God of Adam, the God of Noah, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses.

I am a Christian and I also worship God of Adam, the God of Noah, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses. I also know that Jesus is God come as man for the forgiveness of all mankind's sins as the ultimate loving gift of the God of Adam, the God of Noah, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses. I know that Jesus lives and that the Holy Spirit of God lives within me. I don't pray five times a day; I pray so often I do not count. I believe in one God that is completely able to manifest Himself in any way at any time He chooses. God, Y'howah, is One, is omnipotent, is omnipresent, is limitless. It is only humans that try to place human limits on God, but God is not limited in any way.

Why is it that Christians and Jews are not free to worship in most Muslim countries? It seems the majority of Islam does not practice the tolerance you proclaim.
 

2ndAmendment

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PREMO Member
abdulhaqq said:
... You don't have to agree with what I'm saying, but you should agree that I have the right to say it since these rights are preserved by the Constitution. Even though what you are espousing is essentially hate speech, my dear friend, I would fight to the death to preserve your right to say it. At this point, I would like to confess that I'm a member of the American Civil Liberties Union. ...
If you know the Constitution, then you should know that there is no such thing as hate speech. It is just a political way of dividing people. The Constitution does not say that calling someone a name, even one that is considered racial, is prohibited in any way. Matter of fact it guarantees that citizens have the right to speak as they will. It is the over stepping and ignoring of Constitutional authority by legislators and judges that have created "hate speech."

The ACLU is one of the sorriest organizations in my opinion. It has a great name, but in general, it acts to limit true liberty and obfuscate and circumvent the true meaning of the Constitution.
 

2ndAmendment

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PREMO Member
abdulhaqq said:
.... In Pakistan, top leading Al Qaeda officials were captured through the assistance of Pakistani military intelligence and army officials. In Pakistan, the war on terrorism is a low-level civil war. Everyday, Pakistani soldiers come home in body bags as they fight against people who support terrorism. In Saudi Arabia and Yemen, there were several shoot outs where terrorists were killed. Syria has been working along with the US and Canada.

All of those guys at Guantanamo Bay were captured with the assistance of Muslim leaders and countries. I don't buy your argument that Muslim governments aren't doing enough. They are trying their hardest and to say that they haven't done anything is a disservice to those who have fought and died to prosecute terrorists all over the world. ....
Islamic countries may in deed be doing as you say, but they are not public about it with few exceptions. If all the leaders of all the Muslim countries took a constant, consistent, public stand against terror and against the destruction of Israel and against the attacks on Jews, Americans, Christians, and other non-Muslims, and proclaimed that Al Qaeda, Hamas, and every organization that participated in any terrorist activities are illegal and not welcome in their countries and followed through with actions to mirror their words, then they would be doing all they could. As it stands, I think they are giving lip service and minimal follow through.
 

2ndAmendment

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PREMO Member
abdulhaqq said:
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When Muslims get shot or killed because of hate crimes, that also doesn't get media coverage. ...
Again. No such thing as "hate crime." No crime is a "love crime." Crime is crime. Murder is murder. Isn't strange how it is a "hate crime" when a white kills a black but it is not a "hate crime' when a black kills a white? Isn't each as heinous?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
punjabigyrl said:
I was also wondering with a degree in criminal justice. We all know that the FBI, CIA,and NSA monitor all chat sites on the internet. So with MIKEINSMD claiming that he would like to kill all muslims or wishes. I bet my house that they will monitor him under the partiotic act. Afterall, that is an act of terrorism....right?
No. It is an Internet persona blowing steam.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Kain99 said:
And that... Is the issue. We are infidels. Can't deny that.
And as infidels, it can be said that we corrupt the land.
...whoever kills a soul - unless for a soul[1] or for corruption [done] in the land[2] - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And, whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely." [Qur'an, 5:32]
So by this verse and being infidels that corrupt the land, i guess it is OK for Muslims to kill us according to the Qur'an.
 
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tikipirate

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From one of Abdul's first postings...

"Here I am, an American Muslim whose father served in Vietnam condemning terrorism..."

So let's not keep calling the man a towelhead. Please?

He could be Arab-American, Iraqi-American, Iranian-American or African-American. (And, yes, Americans should be Americans. The hyphen divides.)

I see Abdul defending his faith, but not the power grab that defines SouthWest Asia. Similar to how I admire Judaism, but frown upon Israeli military actions.
 

abdulhaqq

New Member
Dear All,

I'm surprised that the same subjects have been re-iterated over and over again.
For the sake of clarity allow me to review some of the points I've made:

1. Islam is not the same thing as terrorism. In the original few posts, I quoted references from Islamic texts such as the Qur'an which clearly condemned terrorism.
See Post 4.


2. Although it is true that their are radical Muslims who preach hate, their are members in the international Muslim community who have openly disassociated themselves from the actions of these people. I've posted various documents by scholars who condemn terrorism. Furthermore, their are Muslims all over the world who are actively working in combatting terrorism, whether they are scholars, leaders of governments, translators, or covert operatives.
See Post 18.
Muslim Informer Uncovers Terror Ring

3. With regards to the claims that I'm engaging in ad hominem attacks, this is a completely pathetic attempt to smear the point I was making. I did not say 'people are stupid if they don't accept islam'. I'm not here to proselytize people, I'm here to dispel misconceptions that people have about my religion and it seems like I have a lot of work to do. The reason I spoke to some people in a seemingly condescending manner was because they kept regurgitating the same flawed arguments that have already been addressed. They were making comments that had been directly addressed in a previous post so I concluded that they were either not reading properly or not properly assimilating all of the information.

As I've stated, I have personally written letters in various newspapers including the Capital, the Baltimore Sun, and my undergraduate university condemning terrorism. The war on terrorism isnt about just one country or religion or people, its a global mission. It involves people at every level of society. To claim that Muslims who are working hard to combat terrorism arent doing their job is undermining their credibility and giving support to terrorists. So if you love terrorism, then by all means, continue with your xenophobic uneducated rants. President Bush disagrees with the perspective that some of you hold and he supports mainstream Muslims and praises them. Condoleeza Rice did this recently as well. It seems that some people have a selective memory.

Also, I don't appreciate being called "an immigrant". I was born and bred an American. Being a "white christian" isn't what makes you an American, its love and adherence to the values espoused in our Constitution. Our Constitution explicitly rejects that any religion will be established, whether Christianity or Islam or whatever.

I'd also like to thank all the people who have been patient and open minded.

With Peace,

Abdulhaqq
 

abdulhaqq

New Member
What is Islam?

Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that Allah revealed through all His Prophets to every people. For a fifth of the world's population, Islam is both a religion and a complete way of life. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the majority have nothing to do with the extremely grave events, which have come to be associated with their faith through a biased media.

Who are the Muslims?

Over one billion people from a vast range of races, nationalities and cultures across the globe - from the southern Philippines to Nigeria - are united by their common Islamic faith. About 18% live in the Arab world; the world's largest Muslim community is Indonesia; substantial parts of Asia and most parts of Africa are Muslim, while significant minorities are to be found in Russia, China, North and South America, and Europe.

What do Muslims believe?

Muslims believe in One, Unique, Incomparable God; in the Angels created by Him; in the Proph#ets through whom His revelations were brought to mankind; in the Day of Judgement and the individual accountability for actions; in God's complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe in a chain of Prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John and Jesus, alayhimus salam. But God's final message to man, a reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone before, was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam through Archangel Gabriel.

How does someone become a Muslim?


Simply by saying 'there is no deity apart from Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.'

What does 'Islam' mean?

The Arabic word 'Islam' simply means 'submission,' and derives from a word meaning 'peace.' In a religious context it means complete submission to the will of Allah. 'Muhammadanism' is thus a misnomer, because it suggests that Muslims worship Muhammad rather than Allah. "Allah" is the Arabic name for God, which is used by Arab Muslims and Christians alike.

Why does Islam often seem strange?

Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion does not dominate everyday life in the West today, whereas Muslims have religion always uppermost in their minds, and make no division between the secular and the sacred. They believe that the Divine Law, the Shari'ah, should be taken very seriously, which is why issues related to religion are still so important.

Do Islam and Christianity have different origins?

No. Together with Judaism, they go back to the Prophet and Patriarch Abraham, alayhi salam, and their three Prophets are directly descended from his sons - Muhammad Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam from the eldest, Ishmael, and Moses and Jesus from Isaac. Abraham established the settlement, which today is the city of Makkah, and built the Ka'bah towards which all Muslims turn when they pray.

What is the Ka'bah?

The Ka'bah is the place of worship which Allah commanded Abraham and Ishmael to build over four thousand years ago. The building was constructed of stone on what was the original site of the sanctuary established by Adam. God commanded Abraham to summon all mankind to visit this place, and when pilgrims go there today, they say 'At Thy service, O Lord,' in response to Abraham's call.

Who is Muhammad Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam?

Muhammad Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam was born in Makkah Al-Mukarramah in the year 570, at a time when Christianity was not yet fully established in Europe. Since his father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.

Muhammad Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam was of a deeply religious nature, and had long detested the decadence of his society. It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of Hira near the summit of Jabal Al-Nur, the 'Mountain of Light' near Makkah.

How did he become a Prophet and a Messenger of God?

At the age of 40, while engaged in meditative retreat, Muhammad Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam received his first revelation from Allah through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which continued for twenty three years, is known as the Qur'an.

As soon as he began to recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth which Allah had revealed to him, he and his small group of followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in the year 622, Allah gave them the command to emigrate. This event, the Hijrah, 'migration,' in which they left Makkah for the city of Madinah some 420 kilometres to the north, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.

After several years, the Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam died at the age of 63, and within a century of his death, Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far East as China.

How did the spread of Islam affect the world?

Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the simplicity of its doctrine - Islam calls for faith in only One God worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation.

Within a few years, great civilizations and universities were flourishing, for according to the Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, 'Seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim.' The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history. Many crucial systems, such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics), were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated instruments, which were to make possible the European voyages of discovery, were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and good navigational maps.

What is the Qur'an?

The Qur'an is a record of the exact words revealed by Allah through the Angel Gabriel, alayhi salam, to the Prophet Muhammad Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam. It was memorized by Muhammad Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross#checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Surahs, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Qur'an is in every detail the unique and miraculous text, which was revealed to Muhammad Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam fourteen centuries ago.

What is the Qur'an about?

The Qur'an, the last revealed Word of God, is the prime source of every Muslim's faith and practice. It deals with all the subjects which concern us as human beings: wisdom, doctrine, worship and law, but its basic theme is the relationship between God and His creatures. At the same time, it provides guidelines for a just society, proper human conduct and an equitable economic system.

Are there any other sacred sources?

Yes, the Sunnah, the practice and example of the Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, is the second authority for Muslims. A Hadith is a reliably transmitted report of what the Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam said, did, or approved. Belief in the Sunnah is part of the Islamic faith.

Examples of the Prophet's Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam sayings:

The Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam said:

'Allah has no mercy on one who has no mercy for others.'

'None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.'

'He who eats his fill while his neighbour goes without food, is not a believer.'

'The truthful and honest businessman will be in the company of the Prophets, the truthful people, and the martyrs on the Day of Judgement.'

'Powerful is not he who knocks the other down, indeed powerful is he who controls himself in a fit of anger.'

'Allah does not judge according to your bodies and appearances, but He scans your hearts and looks into your deeds.'

'A man walking along a path felt very thirsty. Reaching a well he descended into it, drinking his fill and came up. Then he saw a dog with its tongue hanging out, trying to lick up mud and quench its thirst. The man saw that the dog was feeling the same thirst as he had felt so he went down into the well again and filled his shoe with water and gave the dog a drink. Allah forgave his sins for this action.'

The Prophet Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam was asked: 'Messenger of Allah, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?' He said: 'There is a reward for kindness to every living thing.'

(From the Hadith collections of Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi and Bayhaqi.)

Further Reading: Islam in Focus
 

vincenzo4

New Member
Active Condemnation

I agree. However: did anyone living in the neighborhhods actively codemn Al Capone in Chicago in the 1990s? Did any of the Chinese living in Chinatown open their mouths against the Tongs or the On Leongs?

Baghdad is nothing more than Chicago in the 1990s.

If you live amongst them and speak out, they will kill you, with glee. This includes your children-while you watch.

Alignment with Islam is not alignment with murderers as much as my alignment with my Italian roots is not alignment with organized crime or La Cosa Nostra.

The Iraqi Police and Special Operations Forces are working to eliminate the wholesale slaughter of their people. CNN won't air their courage.

Perspective is in order here.


vraiblonde said:
I agree with this. But when you align yourself with a highly visible group that is making daily news for their violence, you're going to get painted with the same brush. Especially if you don't actively condemn it.
 

vincenzo4

New Member
abdulhaqq: Superbly accurate, heartfelt and well doumented. I am quite familiar with the courage and love through selflessness of a few Muslims who I have worked alongside. You must remember this is a Southern Maryland based forum. The shallowness and lack of depth will explain why this global jihad is no big deal here and why you are insulted without conscience.

They know nothing, care to know nothing and ridicule anything that isn't taught over alcohol at Abner's, Stoney's or the affluent sophisticated red neck gathering point, the Tiki Bar. America without the hassles, fine points, reality and annpying factual truth. All they know is that Steny's party and their local connections made them what they are. Transplants are simply the method to ensure capital that assures their 30,000 dollar pickup trucks and 600,000 dollar houses but nothing of depth pervades.

abdulhaqq said:
Dear All,

I'm surprised that the same subjects have been re-iterated over and over again.
For the sake of clarity allow me to review some of the points I've made:

1. Islam is not the same thing as terrorism. In the original few posts, I quoted references from Islamic texts such as the Qur'an which clearly condemned terrorism.
See Post 4.


2. Although it is true that their are radical Muslims who preach hate, their are members in the international Muslim community who have openly disassociated themselves from the actions of these people. I've posted various documents by scholars who condemn terrorism. Furthermore, their are Muslims all over the world who are actively working in combatting terrorism, whether they are scholars, leaders of governments, translators, or covert operatives.
See Post 18.
Muslim Informer Uncovers Terror Ring

3. With regards to the claims that I'm engaging in ad hominem attacks, this is a completely pathetic attempt to smear the point I was making. I did not say 'people are stupid if they don't accept islam'. I'm not here to proselytize people, I'm here to dispel misconceptions that people have about my religion and it seems like I have a lot of work to do. The reason I spoke to some people in a seemingly condescending manner was because they kept regurgitating the same flawed arguments that have already been addressed. They were making comments that had been directly addressed in a previous post so I concluded that they were either not reading properly or not properly assimilating all of the information.

As I've stated, I have personally written letters in various newspapers including the Capital, the Baltimore Sun, and my undergraduate university condemning terrorism. The war on terrorism isnt about just one country or religion or people, its a global mission. It involves people at every level of society. To claim that Muslims who are working hard to combat terrorism arent doing their job is undermining their credibility and giving support to terrorists. So if you love terrorism, then by all means, continue with your xenophobic uneducated rants. President Bush disagrees with the perspective that some of you hold and he supports mainstream Muslims and praises them. Condoleeza Rice did this recently as well. It seems that some people have a selective memory.

Also, I don't appreciate being called "an immigrant". I was born and bred an American. Being a "white christian" isn't what makes you an American, its love and adherence to the values espoused in our Constitution. Our Constitution explicitly rejects that any religion will be established, whether Christianity or Islam or whatever.

I'd also like to thank all the people who have been patient and open minded.

With Peace,

Abdulhaqq
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
vincenzo4 said:
I agree. However: did anyone living in the neighborhhods actively codemn Al Capone in Chicago in the 1990s?

Baghdad is nothing more than Chicago in the 1990s.
:confused: You might want to open a history book there, skippy. Look up Capone, then tell me why people in the 1990's would want to condemn him.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Mikeinsmd said: “I do have a desire to kill as many of you as I can.”

Abdulhaqq said: “PS: As a law student, I would advise you against making general statements against killing people, even if in jest. You could be prosecuted for the crime of conspirary if you took a substantial step towards the accomplishment of this crime. A substantial step could be many things, such as going to Walmart and looking at guns.”

As a person also interested in the laws of the land you might want to advance your knowledge of what conspiracy to murder actually is.
As defined in law at 18USC1117.
Conspiracy to murder
If two or more persons conspire to violate section 1111, 1114, 1116, or 1119 of this title, and one or more of such persons do any overt act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be punished by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.

Mikeinsmd simply expressed a desire, which is not intent to do any harm, and as such would not by any means be considered as a threat to anyone nor would it constitute a conspiracy. At most he could only be found guilty of being a blowhard.
 

vincenzo4

New Member
1990s

Skippy Chunkie:

At least you read my post, that's why I incorrectly labeled it the 1990s vice the 1920s.

Have you ever heard of Omerta? Pure terroristic threats of death if you so much as opened your mouth, i. e. reported the black mail for protection money, bribery of police officials and judges and councilmen. The Saint Valentine's Day Massacre ring a bell?

The Baathists are employing nothing new: witness termination and
intimidation, precepts from the Nazi Party who they were in bed with for quite some time.

For those critical of Islam, whose history lesson was standing over a beer in a bar, one would do well to research the Spanish Inquisition, and tell me if anyone claiming christianity aligns themselves with those tactics.

MMDad said:
:confused: You might want to open a history book there, skippy. Look up Capone, then tell me why people in the 1990's would want to condemn him.
 
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