What Is Mormonism? A Baptist Answer

[camily]

No, you have church leadership, a pastor, and your local clergy telling you what your church believes to be true.. You choose to accept it or not, but your church, just like every OTHER church tells you what to believe, and the churches interpretation.. you just get to chose to accept it or not.

In the end the Bible doesn't tell you much, at least nowhere near as much as your chosen church does.. I would guess your church even supplies reading materials, and study materials so you can study the bible in a way they want you to.. Sunday School classes that teach their interpretation.. Adult classes.. sermons..

This is the same as ANY church.. it's what they do.

But i cant think of ANY church that spends as much time and money and has a standing "watch" to discredit other religions, to make theirs look MORE right.

We do have those reading materials, but I have a study Bible that I LOVE and use more than anything to help me understand.

 

[itsbob]

Becaus eof this quote:
They still believe in Plural Marriages.. for one to be a Prophet of the Church they must have lineage to Joseph Smith.. Women are definitely subservient

That is showing the difference between the churches if you meant mormons.

That is not the Mormon or LDS church..

The Mormons don't believe in plural marriages, and haven't since sometime in the 1800's... and the Prophet or the president of the church is not, nor has to be, direct lineage to Joseph Smith..

that is the "Reformed Church of Jesus Christ"


That would be like me saying The Davidians were Catholic so this is what the Catholics believe..

Or Hubbard was a Baptist, so Scientology is what the Baptists beileve..

 

[itsbob]

We do have those reading materials, but I have a study Bible that I LOVE and use more than anything to help me understand.

There you go..

 

[camily]

That is not the Mormon or LDS church..

The Mormons don't believe in plural marriages, and haven't since sometime in the 1800's... and the Prophet or the president of the church is not, nor has to be, direct lineage to Joseph Smith..

that is the "Reformed Church of Jesus Christ"


That would be like me saying The Davidians were Catholic so this is what the Catholics believe..

Or Hubbard was a Baptist, so Scientology is what the Baptists beileve..

Some do. How about that "prophet" they just caught?

 

[camily]

There you go..

There you go what? My Bible didn't come from my church.

 

[itsbob]

Some do. How about that "prophet" they just caught?

he was not a member nor a part of the leadership of the mormon church...

He was a member and bishop in the "Reformed Church of Jesus Christ".

he was not a member of the "Mormons" or "Latter Day Saints"..

 

[itsbob]

There you go what? My Bible didn't come from my church.

you said yourself your church provides reading and study material to teach you how to interpret the bible in the way they want you to..

 

[itsbob]

Some do. How about that "prophet" they just caught?

And no NONE do.. Mormon Doctine forbids plural marriage.

 

[camily]

you said yourself your church provides reading and study material to teach you how to interpret the bible in the way they want you to..

That is not what I said. That is what you interpreted.

 

[camily]

And no NONE do.. Mormon Doctine forbids plural marriage.

Joseph Smith had 33 wives.

 

[itsbob]

Joseph Smith had 33 wives.

FOr Baptists you guys sure know a lot about Mormons.. I guess the training is almost complete??

How many DECADES ago did Joseph Smith have 33 wives?? Are the Mormons or are they not, allowed to have plural marriages today?? How long has it been against Church Doctrine to have plural marriages?? Now, tell the truth, don't just repeat the crap your church tells you.

WHY is it BAPTISTs are writing papers and articles about MORMONS?? Whey aren't they writing about BAPTIST? Are they trying to make sure someone doesn't get elected? Are they trying to sway an election and at the same time get around election laws??

Have the Baptists convinced ALL their church members on who NOT to vote for, and now they are trying to persuade all Christians to see the light?

There's a lot of hate there.. against a good person, who's never done anything wrong, and has done a lot of good, but your church is trying to tell the world.. IT DOESN"T MATTER how good a person he is, he's not one of us!!

WHY are they going out of there way to discredit this GOOD man!??

 

[camily]

FOr Baptists you guys sure know a lot about Mormons.. I guess the training is almost complete??

How many DECADES ago did Joseph Smith have 33 wives?? Are the Mormons or are they not, allowed to have plural marriages today?? How long has it been against Church Doctrine to have plural marriages?? Now, tell the truth, don't just repeat the crap your church tells you.

WHY is it BAPTISTs are writing papers and articles about MORMONS?? Whey aren't they writing about BAPTIST? Are they trying to make sure someone doesn't get elected? Are they trying to sway an election and at the same time get around election laws??

Have the Baptists convinced ALL their church members on who NOT to vote for, and now they are trying to persuade all Christians to see the light?

There's a lot of hate there.. against a good person, who's never done anything wrong, and has done a lot of good, but your church is trying to tell the world.. IT DOESN"T MATTER how good a person he is, he's not one of us!!

WHY are they going out of there way to discredit this GOOD man!??

How is me stating a fact hate? I don't get that.
I just looked it up and there it was. I had no idea until just now.

 

[fredcaudle]

FOr Baptists you guys sure know a lot about Mormons.. I guess the training is almost complete??

How many DECADES ago did Joseph Smith have 33 wives?? Are the Mormons or are they not, allowed to have plural marriages today?? How long has it been against Church Doctrine to have plural marriages?? Now, tell the truth, don't just repeat the crap your church tells you.

WHY is it BAPTISTs are writing papers and articles about MORMONS?? Whey aren't they writing about BAPTIST? Are they trying to make sure someone doesn't get elected? Are they trying to sway an election and at the same time get around election laws??

Have the Baptists convinced ALL their church members on who NOT to vote for, and now they are trying to persuade all Christians to see the light?

There's a lot of hate there.. against a good person, who's never done anything wrong, and has done a lot of good, but your church is trying to tell the world.. IT DOESN"T MATTER how good a person he is, he's not one of us!!

WHY are they going out of there way to discredit this GOOD man!??

Since Joseph Smith started and saw the tremendous revelation... he instituted it... why did the mormons today feel they needed to change God's revelation and say no more multiple wives? Was God wrong to the mormons?

Check out your facts... Baptists write tons about Baptist beliefs, but more about the Bible. When Mormons say they believe what we do, we have the ability to state differently. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And by the way, if I state we are not the same as mormons - why do you write volumes back to disprove me - are you trying to make sure someone doesn't believe me?????? Swaying elections? Get real and grow up, everyone wants people to vote their way. Ever heard of political parties? Lobbyists? Interest groups?

This question makes no since... A Christian follows Christ (ie. name used!) Jesus is the Light... why would Christians need to persuade someone who follows Christ to see His Light?????

He is not one of us... that is not hate or predjudice... it is simply stating He doesn't believe our doctrine. Do atheist or non-religious people agree with a Creationist or a god worshipper as being an atheist? We have no problem with good people (good compared to what people call good)... good doesn't equal doctrine or beliefs. That's not hate... that's reality. I also hope people realize we should elect people for what they politically and spiritually believe - being good should already have been met by a political candidate. I doubt a fascist (spelled wrong probably) or a rapist would get any serious votes.

Because he claims to be a Christian. A Christian follows Christ Jesus. Christians follow all the New Testament and not selected parts. A Christian needs no other person seeing revelations and adding to the Bible and taking parts out of the Bible. If he claims to be a Mormon... no baptist or any other religion is going to take issue with him. Probably still won't get the vote, but at least he is being truthful to who he is.

 

[camily]

Since Joseph Smith started and saw the tremendous revelation... he instituted it... why did the mormons today feel they needed to change God's revelation and say no more multiple wives? Was God wrong to the mormons?

Check out your facts... Baptists write tons about Baptist beliefs, but more about the Bible. When Mormons say they believe what we do, we have the ability to state differently. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And by the way, if I state we are not the same as mormons - why do you write volumes back to disprove me - are you trying to make sure someone doesn't believe me?????? Swaying elections? Get real and grow up, everyone wants people to vote their way. Ever heard of political parties? Lobbyists? Interest groups?

This question makes no since... A Christian follows Christ (ie. name used!) Jesus is the Light... why would Christians need to persuade someone who follows Christ to see His Light?????

He is not one of us... that is not hate or predjudice... it is simply stating He doesn't believe our doctrine. Do atheist or non-religious people agree with a Creationist or a god worshipper as being an atheist? We have no problem with good people (good compared to what people call good)... good doesn't equal doctrine or beliefs. That's not hate... that's reality. I also hope people realize we should elect people for what they politically and spiritually believe - being good should already have been met by a political candidate. I doubt a fascist (spelled wrong probably) or a rapist would get any serious votes.

Because he claims to be a Christian. A Christian follows Christ Jesus. Christians follow all the New Testament and not selected parts. A Christian needs no other person seeing revelations and adding to the Bible and taking parts out of the Bible. If he claims to be a Mormon... no baptist or any other religion is going to take issue with him. Probably still won't get the vote, but at least he is being truthful to who he is.

Well put.

 

[fredcaudle]

FOr Baptists you guys sure know a lot about Mormons.. I guess the training is almost complete??

How many DECADES ago did Joseph Smith have 33 wives?? Are the Mormons or are they not, allowed to have plural marriages today?? How long has it been against Church Doctrine to have plural marriages?? Now, tell the truth, don't just repeat the crap your church tells you.

WHY is it BAPTISTs are writing papers and articles about MORMONS?? Whey aren't they writing about BAPTIST? Are they trying to make sure someone doesn't get elected? Are they trying to sway an election and at the same time get around election laws??

Have the Baptists convinced ALL their church members on who NOT to vote for, and now they are trying to persuade all Christians to see the light?

There's a lot of hate there.. against a good person, who's never done anything wrong, and has done a lot of good, but your church is trying to tell the world.. IT DOESN"T MATTER how good a person he is, he's not one of us!!

WHY are they going out of there way to discredit this GOOD man!??

You asked: How long has it been against Church Doctrine to have plural marriages?? Now, tell the truth, don't just repeat the crap your church tells you.

Anybody ever read Genesis around here? God created one man for one woman? Anybody ever read Jesus' words (by the way, He is the author of the church.... He started it -He thought of the idea for a Christ - ian Church)? Jesus said the same thing as God which would make since since Jesus is God...

People can practice polygamy and be called Christians - doesn't mean God ordained it or approves it.

 

[tommyjones]

You asked: How long has it been against Church Doctrine to have plural marriages?? Now, tell the truth, don't just repeat the crap your church tells you.

Anybody ever read Genesis around here? God created one man for one woman? Anybody ever read Jesus' words (by the way, He is the author of the church.... He started it -He thought of the idea for a Christ - ian Church)? Jesus said the same thing as God which would make since since Jesus is God...

People can practice polygamy and be called Christians - doesn't mean God ordained it or approves it.

the christian religion has a long history of changing its thinking on subjects. Thats why there are so many different sects now. if you believe that the only true church is the one presented as Jesus said in his day, you will have to find a seriously fundamental church.
but the fact of the matter is that the interpretations of bible as it affects the members of the church change.
does god approve or ordain female priests? how about gay ones?
the episcopal church didn't think so, now it does. As far as i know they are christian.


lots of other examples. if there werern't we would be stoning adulterers in the street, and making payments to the church to atone for our sins......

 

[itsbob]

He is not one of us... that is not hate or predjudice... it is simply stating He doesn't believe our doctrine. Do atheist or non-religious people agree with a Creationist or a god worshipper as being an atheist? We have no problem with good people (good compared to what people call good)... good doesn't equal doctrine or beliefs. That's not hate... that's reality. I also hope people realize we should elect people for what they politically and spiritually believe - being good should already have been met by a political candidate. I doubt a fascist (spelled wrong probably) or a rapist would get any serious votes.

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Than why is the Baptist church making sure the world knows he's a Mormon, and making sure to point out .. "And this is why Mormon's aren't christians!"

Sounds like something out of the Hitler Youth playbook..

"Your friend is Jewish, and this is why he's not like you!!"


I've been to several churches.. and I've heard a lot of .. "This is why we are right.. " "THis is why we are the true church" "We are Christ's church".

I've never been to a church where they single out one two or three religions and say.. "This is why they AREN'T the right church" "This is why they aren't like us" "This is why they aren't Christians".. Doesn't sound like tolerance and love to me..

 

[itsbob]

Anybody ever read Genesis around here? God created one man for one woman? Anybody ever read Jesus' words (by the way, He is the author of the church.... He started it -He thought of the idea for a Christ - ian Church)? Jesus said the same thing as God which would make since since Jesus is God...

So we all came from the same breeding stock?? Shouldn't we all be drooling piles of idiots if that's TRULY the case? We'd all be inter-related after 6000 years.. Hell, it that was TRULY the case where we started out with just a single couple, we wouldn't have made it past 4 or 5 generations.. The Amish started out in the US with a lot more than a single couple and they have all kinds of interbreeding issues.. and that's been just a hundred or so years..

And where was EDEN?? Were Adam and Eve caucasoids?? Where did the white people come from?? How about the Chinese?? Japanese?? Korean?? African?? Explain that if we all came from the same two "parents" how did we end up with completely different races of people??

Jesus is GOD?? Jesus, the Son of God is GOD?? Are you your own grandpa too??

 

[fredcaudle]

the christian religion has a long history of changing its thinking on subjects. Thats why there are so many different sects now. if you believe that the only true church is the one presented as Jesus said in his day, you will have to find a seriously fundamental church.
but the fact of the matter is that the interpretations of bible as it affects the members of the church change.
does god approve or ordain female priests? how about gay ones?
the episcopal church didn't think so, now it does. As far as i know they are christian.


lots of other examples. if there werern't we would be stoning adulterers in the street, and making payments to the church to atone for our sins......

You are only helping me at this point by bringing up these issues. The issue of change is with man - not the Bible. The Bible has stood in completed form for some 4,000 years (combined old and new testament) - over 40 plus authors - and no one has ever changed the meaning or teaching- and think of all the translations and yet the meaning remains the same.

People change daily... God doesn't. Agaiin, anyone can call themselves whatever they want. A Christ - ian (Christ follower) to God is someone who FOLLOWS Christ teaching. Even when the world says its "fundamental" or "narrow-minded" a Christ follower (Christian) remains true to God and His Anointed, Jesus Christ.

You know the Bible would not show God ordaining those of your questions... you only bring this up to go down yet another rabbit trail. Since God never changes... neither does His word.

You miss quoted and misunderstand. Jesus did NOT stone the adulteress... He said go and sin no more (i.e. change). Jesus is the atonement for sin... the "church" did not use the Bible to come up with that nonscense (i.e. God never spoke it so God never ordained that practice.)

Don't worry, you have 66 books in the Bible to find those "controversial little answers" to make the Christ - followers look foolish.

 

[fredcaudle]

Than why is the Baptist church making sure the world knows he's a Mormon, and making sure to point out .. "And this is why Mormon's aren't christians!"

Sounds like something out of the Hitler Youth playbook..

"Your friend is Jewish, and this is why he's not like you!!"


I've been to several churches.. and I've heard a lot of .. "This is why we are right.. " "THis is why we are the true church" "We are Christ's church".

I've never been to a church where they single out one two or three religions and say.. "This is why they AREN'T the right church" "This is why they aren't like us" "This is why they aren't Christians".. Doesn't sound like tolerance and love to me..

You feel Baptist "single out" .... ok. Our focus is Jesus, not John Smith.

Salvation is of the Jews. (Bible). You can't understand how I am one in Jesus and I would not cheapen the word at this point.

Baptist aren't right.... The Word of God is. But again, you have no understanding in this matter.