What kind of god would send

itsbob

I bowl overhand
You die, come back to life, and have multitudes witness this and follow you for millenia, and we'll see how it words for you! :lol:

I did, but nobody witnessed it.. does it make it less of a miracle??

And if I died today and rose from the grave.. nobody would believe.. it would be discounted as a trick, a magicians trick.. you were never really dead.. it wasn't me they buried.. etc.. etc.. it's IMPOSSIBLE to do ... today.. but not 2000 years ago..
 

hvp05

Methodically disorganized
You ask for a concept that doesn't exist for any belief system, including atheism (you have to have faith that coincidence occurred in just the right ((implausible)) way, etc.).
What's really implausible? I just briefly perused Marie's "Countering the Critics" site and read their explanation for the Star of Bethlehem. They proposed three scientific explanations then said that none of them were sufficient. Therefore, this occurence must have been "temporary and supernatural", never seen before and never seen since. Such "supernatural" events seemed to have happened daily several thousand years ago, but not so much anymore. I find that peculiar, to say the least.


This_person said:
Ever been in space? Then how do YOU know that the world is a sphere? You see pictures, you hear stories, you read about what other people say and why they say it..... How's that any different?
Needn't go that far; flying on any commercial jetliner will allow you to see the earth's curvature. :shrug: I had a beautiful view of it when I flew into London at dawn several years ago.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
babies put themselves into starvation?

those jerks .... they should get up and feed themselves .... lazy bastards .... they're 2 months old. Suck it up kids.

man, what?

what god would allow things like that?

(not one I would worship)
Babies don't starve themselves. Mankind allows babies to starve. They have babies when they have no food. They throw food away when they know someone else is starving. They throw $500,000 parties and hire someone who can't feed their own child to serve the caviar. That's not God's work, that's man's work in action. It's OUR fault, not His.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
I did, but nobody witnessed it.. does it make it less of a miracle??

And if I died today and rose from the grave.. nobody would believe.. it would be discounted as a trick, a magicians trick.. you were never really dead.. it wasn't me they buried.. etc.. etc.. it's IMPOSSIBLE to do ... today.. but not 2000 years ago..
It's impossible for a man to do, today or 2000 years ago.

So, if you did it, people would believe it wasn't true, just like most did then (and you seem to think now).

But, just because some people don't believe it doesn't make it not true.
 

Xaquin44

New Member
Babies don't starve themselves. Mankind allows babies to starve. They have babies when they have no food. They throw food away when they know someone else is starving. They throw $500,000 parties and hire someone who can't feed their own child to serve the caviar. That's not God's work, that's man's work in action. It's OUR fault, not His.

So we can fix it and it's our fault, but god could fix it and it's not his fault?

What about murder? I've seen on the news countless times some crazy woman killing a lady and stealing the baby. Now it's the crazy womans fault obviously, but when the other is powerless to stop it, why should she then be made to suffer and die?

Don't give me that "It was her time" or "god has a plan" b.s. .... If god needs a person then he should be able to do it without brutal murder.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
What's really implausible? I just briefly perused Marie's "Countering the Critics" site and read their explanation for the Star of Bethlehem. They proposed three scientific explanations then said that none of them were sufficient. Therefore, this occurence must have been "temporary and supernatural", never seen before and never seen since. Such "supernatural" events seemed to have happened daily several thousand years ago, but not so much anymore. I find that peculiar, to say the least.


Needn't go that far; flying on any commercial jetliner will allow you to see the earth's curvature. :shrug: I had a beautiful view of it when I flew into London at dawn several years ago.
What's implausible about lifeless goo becoming life, and transforming into water animals, then land animals, then diversing into millions and millions of distinct lifeforms over the millenia, eventually reaching what we have today with no evidence of any of this other than minor changes in traits over hundreds of years? Are you serious?

And, you proved that the world is coin-shaped.
 

Xaquin44

New Member
It's impossible for a man to do, today or 2000 years ago.

So, if you did it, people would believe it wasn't true, just like most did then (and you seem to think now).

But, just because some people don't believe it doesn't make it not true.

Well you don't believe I rose from the dead .... I'm here purporting good will and tolerance to all people.

Jesus has gone digital!
 

Xaquin44

New Member
What's implausible about lifeless goo becoming life, and transforming into water animals, then land animals, then diversing into millions and millions of distinct lifeforms over the millenia, eventually reaching what we have today with no evidence of any of this other than minor changes in traits over hundreds of years? Are you serious?

And, you proved that the world is coin-shaped.

also, not hundreds, billions.
 

Xaquin44

New Member
You're putting your personal rules on the actions of a supreme, omniscient being.

personal?

Thou shall not kill?

Gods word right?

I mean, he wrote it and gave it to moses right?

If you sit and watch a brutal murder and have the power to stop it but don't, who the hell are you to dictate what is and isn't right?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
personal?

Thou shall not kill?

Gods word right?

I mean, he wrote it and gave it to moses right?

If you sit and watch a brutal murder and have the power to stop it but don't, who the hell are you to dictate what is and isn't right?
Does that make sense? He's telling us NOT to do it, and then watching us as we do. He's not condoning it being done just because He doesn't stop it. Did you condone your kids not doing their chores? Skipping class? Whatever they did?

No, you punished them. Think someone doing wrong gets punished?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member

lets not ignore solid fact for the sake of theoretical arguement.

Well you don't believe I rose from the dead .... I'm here purporting good will and tolerance to all people




I chose not to ignore solid fact for the sake of theoretical argument. :lol:
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
What kind of god would send a prophet like that?

Back to the original topic:

The same god that would send a plague of locusts, drown almost everyone on earth in a flood, turn Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, or tell someone to sacrifice their own child as a test of faith.

You can't have it both ways, Marie.
 

Xaquin44

New Member
Does that make sense? He's telling us NOT to do it, and then watching us as we do. He's not condoning it being done just because He doesn't stop it. Did you condone your kids not doing their chores? Skipping class? Whatever they did?

No, you punished them. Think someone doing wrong gets punished?

congrats on the worst arguement ever. Chores and skipping class do not equal murder. Who cares if he doesn't condone it? He can stop it and doesn't. This isn't about punishment for wrong doers, it's about lack of suffering for innocents.

I'll say it again, if you have the power to stop a brutal murder (or the like) and don't then you don't deserve worship of any kind.
 

hvp05

Methodically disorganized
Are you serious?
Do I seriously believe that many biblical stories can not be taken literally? Yes. Do I seriously believe science resolves - or will eventually resolve - our questions about the world around us with a reasonably close summation of 'objective truth'? Yes. Do I think science should replace religion? No.

This_person said:
And, you proved that the world is coin-shaped.
You did not extrapolate, my friend. Theoretically, I could progressively cover the entire earth in a plane and view the planet's curvature the entire circuit. But there are many different proofs that can be used by ground-based observers, which is how mathematicians uncovered this fact thousands of years ago.

Anyone can do these things, not just you or me, and arrive at the same conclusion.

The same can not be said of religion or the supernatural.
 
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