What kind of god would send

[This_person]

as much as you've literally found god I suppose.

That's all I'm saying with that. Each direction requires faith, and the person of faith must decide what to have faith in.

I chose meaning, goodness, strength, tolerance, good will...........


The atheist chooses to have faith in implausible coincidence and unsubstantiated theory (just like rising from the dead and having omniscience).

Mine was done because of personal experience, and the ways I chose to internalize it. I believe I've had numerous experiences with no other solution than a God.

 

[Xaquin44]

lets not ignore solid fact for the sake of theoretical arguement.

Well you don't believe I rose from the dead .... I'm here purporting good will and tolerance to all people




I chose not to ignore solid fact for the sake of theoretical argument.

yeah, I wasn't being serious in saying I was christ.

 

[This_person]

yeah, I wasn't being serious in saying I was christ.

Really?

 

[Xaquin44]

That's all I'm saying with that. Each direction requires faith, and the person of faith must decide what to have faith in.

I chose meaning, goodness, strength, tolerance, good will...........


The atheist chooses to have faith in implausible coincidence and unsubstantiated theory (just like rising from the dead and having omniscience).

Mine was done because of personal experience, and the ways I chose to internalize it. I believe I've had numerous experiences with no other solution than a God.

I'd rather believe we'll all die and there is nothing then believe in a god who would let a child be murdered.

 

[hvp05]

No, you punished them. Think someone doing wrong gets punished?

This is a question I was going to raise with 2A a night or two ago...

Would you punish your child equally for taking a cookie when you told them not to as you would if they threatened to shoot you in the head? And, if you did punish them for taking that cookie, would you hold it against them forever?

 

[wxtornado]

That's all I'm saying with that. Each direction requires faith, and the person of faith must decide what to have faith in.

I chose meaning, goodness, strength, tolerance, good will...........


The atheist chooses to have faith in implausible coincidence and unsubstantiated theory (just like rising from the dead and having omniscience).

Mine was done because of personal experience, and the ways I chose to internalize it. I believe I've had numerous experiences with no other solution than a God.

Evolution stands or falls according to the facts that support it; it has nothing to do with faith or beliefs.

 

[This_person]

I'd rather believe we'll all die and there is nothing then believe in a god who would let a child be murdered.

You're talking about scale. that's all. To a human, a kid underage drinking, knocking up Mary-Sue, speeding, etc., is what I imagine to God rape is. Scale.

 

[tommyjones]

You're talking about scale. that's all. To a human, a kid underage drinking, knocking up Mary-Sue, speeding, etc., is what I imagine to God rape is. Scale.

so rape and murder are minor transgretions in gods eyes?

 

[This_person]

This is a question I was going to raise with 2A a night or two ago...

Would you punish your child equally for taking a cookie when you told them not to as you would if they threatened to shoot you in the head? And, if you did punish them for taking that cookie, would you hold it against them forever?

No. But, I don't think we all get punished the same for our crimes, either.

 

[Xaquin44]

You're talking about scale. that's all. To a human, a kid underage drinking, knocking up Mary-Sue, speeding, etc., is what I imagine to God rape is. Scale.

wow .... he must really care.

seriously, your arguement is not making god out to be a nice guy.

 

[hvp05]

Mine was done because of personal experience, and the ways I chose to internalize it. I believe I've had numerous experiences with no other solution than a God.

And I believe I had a very different series of experiences, guided and evaluated by my personality and innate desire to question and learn.

If God knows me so well, he should know I will not blindly follow any junk that happens to be floating around; I need something solid. So if he wants me as part of his army I don't think it's too extreme to request reasonable accommodations.

I think it's rather ridiculous to give me a brain, intelligence, curiosity, etc. then say I can use none of these things to find 'truth'.

 

[This_person]

Evolution stands or falls according to the facts that support it; it has nothing to do with faith or beliefs.

While minor changes generation after generation may be proved to be something more than environmental changes (like lifespans with better medicine, size due to better nutrition, etc), that still doesn't account for the origins of life, the origins of the universe, etc.

Those require faith.

 

[wxtornado]

I think it's rather ridiculous to give me a brain, intelligence, curiosity, etc. then say I can use none of these things to find 'truth'.

Very good point!

 

[This_person]

so rape and murder are minor transgretions in gods eyes?

I don't think murder is, but it may be on a small scale (one person). I think rape is, compared to all of the crimes of humanity.

Not to me, by any means. Don't get me wrong. But, I don't have the view of all of humanity over all of time. That's beyond MY comprehension.

 

[Xaquin44]

I don't think murder is, but it may be on a small scale (one person). I think rape is, compared to all of the crimes of humanity.

I'm sure thousands of rape victims will be relieved to know that they're small potatos in gods eyes.

 

[This_person]

wow .... he must really care.

seriously, your arguement is not making god out to be a nice guy.

Have you read the Old Testament? Who said God was a "nice guy"?


Overall, I think He's goodness. But, not without discipline and punishment. Can you be a nice guy to your kid and still punish your son for punching your daughter? Overall, I'll bet you can.

 

[wxtornado]

While minor changes generation after generation may be proved to be something more than environmental changes (like lifespans with better medicine, size due to better nutrition, etc), that still doesn't account for the origins of life, the origins of the universe, etc.

Those require faith.

Again, and again, evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life. Please use google instead of mis-stating something you obviously don't understand. It's not helping your argument any.

 

[hvp05]

No. But, I don't think we all get punished the same for our crimes, either.

So you are of the group that believes Hell has 'levels', depending on one's severity of sin? So someone who was a "good person" and did wonderful things during life would not be treated as harshly as a murderous, greedy dictator. Correct?

This is one area where theists fight amongst themselves more than with non-theists.

 

[This_person]

And I believe I had a very different series of experiences, guided and evaluated by my personality and innate desire to question and learn.

If God knows me so well, he should know I will not blindly follow any junk that happens to be floating around; I need something solid. So if he wants me as part of his army I don't think it's too extreme to request reasonable accommodations.

I think it's rather ridiculous to give me a brain, intelligence, curiosity, etc. then say I can use none of these things to find 'truth'.

He's given you all the tools, all the information you need. It's your choice to accept or not.

Did you believe everything your parents told you? And, then, grow up and need to figure it out for yourself? And, then come to the conclusion that the vast majority of what they told you was right after trying many other things?

 

[Xaquin44]

Have you read the Old Testament? Who said God was a "nice guy"?

Then why worship him?

Overall, I think He's goodness. But, not without discipline and punishment. Can you be a nice guy to your kid and still punish your son for punching your daughter? Overall, I'll bet you can.

look, it's fine that he'll eventualy punish criminals .... what about the victim? Why not just save the victim outright? Because rape isn't a big deal in gods eyes?