Xaquin44
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NO, and that's not what I was trying to say.
why not? I mean this seems to be a belief you hold fairly dear (since you've been arguing it for the better part of 2 hours).
NO, and that's not what I was trying to say.
Would you like me to research the books out there by prominent scientists who were atheists and became religious based upon their searches to disprove Him?Most of which I can not use, as I just said. My brain is my most valuable tool because I can evaluate things for myself and question that which I do not understand. The Judeo-Christian God insists I put my emotions first, and I rarely trust them because they are subjective.
Emotions can be far more important proof. Not always, and no, I would not convict someone of murder based upon a hunch. But, sometimes they're more accurate than what we perceive as fact.It's strange that God should ask us to employ our most subjective trait to find such objective truth.
You can't conceive that God could be a little bit different for each person? I can. Omniscience starts with "omni" for a reason.[/quote]Yeah, could you point to which chunk of information that would be? Because I see a lot of them. TIA.[/quote]You see a lot out there because there is a lot out there.And I guarantee that, once I have found this truth, it will differ in some way and extent to virtually every other person on this planet; that's intellectually dishonest and more than a little frightening.
You're making my point about God being kind, benevolant, maleable within tight parameters..... different for everyone.Actually, I was a pretty good kid and didn't break too many of the rules. But I get your point. But I also have to say that, even though my mom and grandparents worked to instill me with their values and so forth, they have not been outraged and disowned me for not entirely following their ideals. They are actually happy that I have chosen a path with which I am comfortable.
I don't understand this. He sends His son to speak for Him, relating as a human and all. That guy says stuff like we shouldn't judge others, and let's us know that only the person without sin is allowed to cast the first stone, etc. These are God's thoughts, given through His son.The Christian God is not typically regarded as being so accepting.
Science does more to prove the Bible than we can catch up with. It is an amazing document...pick it up...read it!
I respectfully disagree with 2A on that. Jesus gave us a scale just within the commandments. There is only one commandment with a punishment built into how it's worded. I personally believe there is a difference among sins.according to 2A, each sin is of equal importance in gods eyes. Now, if we accept that, then there is no scale.
"Blathering on"? I'm just offering my opinions. I'm not trying to tell anyone else to think like me, nor judging anyone else's beliefs.sidewaysly, there should be no scale anyways because when someone (god in this case) is by definition infinate, everything regardless of (global) scale will be infinitly small.
This is a guy who handcrafted each atom, and you're blathering on about scale.
I do not stake my life on my scientific "faith"; I do not take it personally when an accepted scientific rule is overturned and requires being rewritten.However, when speaking of faith for the atheist, we have to go back to the origins of life and the universe. Nothing comes close to any reasonable explaination for either of these things. One must have faith, as HVP earlier stated, that science will "eventually" explain it all.
I have been trying to see TP's point, and I think you are being unnecessarily aggressive, but this is a valid observation.Xaquin44 said:sidewaysly, there should be no scale anyways because when someone (god in this case) is by definition infinate, everything regardless of (global) scale will be infinitly small.
I don't understand what you're trying to say to me here....no, "he" doesn't. People with their own interpretations do in his name. Several on this board alone (myself included).
I have been trying to see TP's point, and I think you are being unnecessarily aggressive, but this is a valid observation.
Because that would not be in any way a comforting, helpful thought to get her through her time of need. And, it's not the full thought, as I explained. I believe God cares about her, and any pain she suffers. I believe that as strongly as I believe that, in the grand scheme of things, it's not as important to God as murder on the scale of a Holocaust.why not? I mean this seems to be a belief you hold fairly dear (since you've been arguing it for the better part of 2 hours).
I don't understand what you're trying to say to me here....
Did I miss a whole conversation somewhere?What right do we have telling them they should be Christian. About the same right they have telling us we should be muslim.
Because that would not be in any way a comforting, helpful thought to get her through her time of need. And, it's not the full thought, as I explained. I believe God cares about her, and any pain she suffers. I believe that as strongly as I believe that, in the grand scheme of things, it's not as important to God as murder on the scale of a Holocaust.
The best thing we can do is send Bibles into these countries!
Did I miss a whole conversation somewhere?
Who's telling whom to be a Christian?
fair enough. Sorry for the "blathering on" comment.
If you felt I put words in your mouth, I'm sorry. I actually just meant that you said science would eventually figure it all out. To me, that was faith in science.I do not stake my life on my scientific "faith"; I do not take it personally when an accepted scientific rule is overturned and requires being rewritten.
And I think science has a better track record at uncovering facts, for it has created the modern world we now enjoy. Faith, as I recently said, is built on subjectivity, and what is "real" and "true" has changed over time.
oh, I read your comment wrong .... i thought you were saying that god was telling us why he does things the way he does and was replying based on that.
my mistake.
You make a fair comparrison here. Although, all the murders aren't done by one person, or one small group of people. I was speaking to the crimes of one person - how one person's sins would be perceived by God (in my opinion). Maybe that's why I'm not coming across to you well on this issue. I wasn't speaking that an individual rape or murder is insignificant - I don't think it is. But the one person who raped one person is not the same as the one person who orders and/or orchestrates the mass murder of tens, hundreds, thousands. I was speaking to the person performing the sin, not the sin itself.It should be though.
It all boils down to what happens to a person. If you took all the individual murders in the world, it would make the holocaust look small. Just because they didn't happen all at once shouldn't make them any less important.
No reason to be sorry, I thought I was coming across as telling others to be Christians. NOT my thing at all.Sorry This Person, I forgot to Quote with my reply.