What losing the war on terror looks like

[forestal]

Looks like this.

Time for a president who won't create more terrorists than he kills, time to bring our boys back to their families, time for a Democrat in the White House.

Suicide bombings up worldwide Out of 658 attacks worldwide last year, 542 were in U.S.-occupied countries
By Robin Wright
The Washington Post
updated 5:51 a.m. ET, Fri., April. 18, 2008

Suicide bombers conducted 658 attacks around the world last year, including 542 in U.S.-occupied Afghanistan and Iraq, according to data compiled by U.S. government experts.
The large number of attacks -- more than double the number in any of the past 25 years -- reflects a trend that has surprised and worried U.S. intelligence and military analysts.
More than four-fifths of the suicide bombings over that period have occurred in the past seven years, the data show. The bombings have spread to dozens of countries on five continents, killed more than 21,350 people and injured about 50,000 since 1983, when a landmark attack blew up the U.S. Embassy in Beirut.
Today is the 25-year anniversary of that attack, the first of a series of large suicide bombings targeting Americans overseas.
"Increasingly, we are seeing the globalization of suicide bombs, no longer confined to conflict zones but happening anywhere," said Mohammed Hafez of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif., and author of the book "Suicide Bombers in Iraq." He calls the contemporary perpetrators "martyrs without borders."

 

[C6R_Mag]

you ever think that suicide bombing is up because these maniacs know it is working for them? they commit these extreme crimes and we are to blame???

 

[aps45819]

Suicide bombings up worldwide Out of 658 attacks worldwide last year, 542 were in U.S.-occupied countries

I seldom agree with you but you're right on this one
The U.S. should "occupy" more countries to prevent sucide bombers from coming to U.S. soil. I think we should "occupy" Venezula. The last "war for oil" didn't seem to produce much oil. Those south american commies sell gas for under $0.25 a gallon.
I'd call my congressman and suggest it, but since he's a commie (D), odds are he won't see the brilliance of your plan.

 

[Go G-Men]

you ever think that suicide bombing is up because these maniacs know it is working for them? they commit these extreme crimes and we are to blame???

Actually suicide bombing are up because of people like forrestal and the rest of the folks who constantly want to walk away from Iraq and Afghanistan. As long as the terrorist know that some Americans are spineless they will continue to attack so we will leave sooner...

Fight with all we have and commit to staying as long as it takes and that will diminish these attacks considerably...

 

[aps45819]

Screw all those third world crap hole countries.
We need an American Empire

 

[Kerad]

...
The U.S. should "occupy" more countries to prevent sucide bombers from coming to U.S. soil. ....

So...how many suicide bombings were we dealing with in America before the invasion of Iraq?

 

[Larry Gude]

Well...

So...how many suicide bombings were we dealing with in America before the invasion of Iraq?

...4 that I recall off the top of my head.

 

[Vince]

People like forestidiot will never get it. These terrorists won't stop until all the infidels, that's us, are dead. It won't matter if we bring the troops home or not, they will continue to kill inocent people. What did we do to provoke 9/11? It won't matter if we stop, they will continue to kill.

 

[RadioPatrol]

Time for a president who won't create more terrorists than he kills, time to bring our boys back to their families, time for a Democrat in the White House.

Suicide bombings up worldwide Out of 658 attacks worldwide last year, 542 were in U.S.-occupied countries
By Robin Wright
The Washington Post
updated 5:51 a.m. ET, Fri., April. 18, 2008

Yeah Like that is going to happen ...............


better 658 Homicide Bombers over seas than in shopping malls and schools in a neighborhood near you ..........

 

[aps45819]

...4 that I recall off the top of my head.

that killed more people than the attack on Pearl Harbor.
The "day that will live in infamy forever" was eclipsed by an attack aimed at civilians.

Good thing you're not my dad's age. We'd be speaking Japanese instead of driving their cars.

 

[Larry Gude]

How...

that killed more people than the attack on Pearl Harbor.
The "day that will live in infamy forever" was eclipsed by an attack aimed at civilians.

Good thing you're not my dad's age. We'd be speaking Japanese instead of driving their cars.

...me being in my 80's get us all to speak Japanese?

 

[RadioPatrol]

...me being in my 80's get us all to speak Japanese?

If Forestal's ( lefty, Socialist ) attitude was Prevalent in 1940 .... they would have rolled over to the Japanese Aggression and given up the Pacific.

 

[Larry Gude]

Oh...

If Forestal's ( lefty, Socialist ) attitude was Prevalent in 1940 .... they would have rolled over to the Japanese Aggression and given up the Pacific.

...I read that as you were referring to me.

 

[RadioPatrol]

...I read that as you were referring to me.

Not me APS made the comment you quoted above ..... I am just translating based on assumptions I really don't know what point APS was trying to make

 

[Larry Gude]

Yes...

Not me APS made the comment you quoted above ..... I am just translating based on assumptions I really don't know what point APS was trying to make

...that's right; I misread the quote from you to me from him about the other point in the last page.

 

[PsyOps]

Looks like this.

Time for a president who won't create more terrorists than he kills, time to bring our boys back to their families, time for a Democrat in the White House.

Suicide bombings up worldwide Out of 658 attacks worldwide last year, 542 were in U.S.-occupied countries
By Robin Wright
The Washington Post
updated 5:51 a.m. ET, Fri., April. 18, 2008

Suicide bombers conducted 658 attacks around the world last year, including 542 in U.S.-occupied Afghanistan and Iraq, according to data compiled by U.S. government experts.
The large number of attacks -- more than double the number in any of the past 25 years -- reflects a trend that has surprised and worried U.S. intelligence and military analysts.
More than four-fifths of the suicide bombings over that period have occurred in the past seven years, the data show. The bombings have spread to dozens of countries on five continents, killed more than 21,350 people and injured about 50,000 since 1983, when a landmark attack blew up the U.S. Embassy in Beirut.
Today is the 25-year anniversary of that attack, the first of a series of large suicide bombings targeting Americans overseas.
"Increasingly, we are seeing the globalization of suicide bombs, no longer confined to conflict zones but happening anywhere," said Mohammed Hafez of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif., and author of the book "Suicide Bombers in Iraq." He calls the contemporary perpetrators "martyrs without borders."

What defines an occupied country?

Occupation:

Invasion, conquest, and control of a nation or territory by foreign armed forces.

The military government exercising control over an occupied nation or territory.

Belligerent military occupation occurs when the control and authority over a territory belonging to a state passes to a hostile army.

Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.

Please tell me one country the US occupies?

On June 28, 2004, the occupation (of Iraq) was nominally ended by the CPA, which transferred limited power to a new Iraqi government led by Prime Minister Iyad Allawi.

So, not so surprisingly the Post has it wrong AGAIN! I mean, under your and the Post's loose definition of occupation we still occupy Germany, Italy, Spain, England, Japan, S. Korea, etc... simply because we have a military presense in those countries.

Next point... As usual the post leaves it up to us to figure out who these “experts” are.

Lastly, it’s typical for the left to blame someone other than the ones committing the crimes. Since we are in a position of power it must be our fault that these animals resort to TARGETTING and butchering innocent people. The one thing the article leaves out is that we are at war with them (the terrorists). They (the terrorists) know this and are motivated to kill us more-so than if we weren’t at war with them. Until we crack their will that’s how they will fight. As long as there are sympathizers in this country blaming the US they will be all that much more motivated. You (forestal) and the Washington Lost don’t seem to get that.

It's also important to point out that attacks on our military in Iraq and Afghanistan are NOT terrorist attacks; they are considered military attacks. We are at war. It is fair game for them to attack us. I assure you the vast majority of these numbers are these such attacks.

 

[PsyOps]

So...how many suicide bombings were we dealing with in America before the invasion of Iraq?

Why does it have to be limited to America. Islamic terrorism has been alive and well for decades all over the world, to include the US; and Americans are frequently the targets outside of the US.

So, I'm happy to do your homework for you:

List of attacks attributed to Abu Nidal

Abu Nidal (Sabri al-Banna) commanded a reputation as the world's most ruthless terrorist leader until the title was claimed by Osama bin Ladin in the late 1990s. Abu Nidal was primarily active in the 1970s and 1980s on the ultra-hardline fringe of the Palestine Liberation Organization.

List of terrorist incidents from the 1800s to today.

Just since the 1990s (radical Islamic only)

1990

PLF attack in the beaches on Tel Aviv.

PLO attack on the US embassy.

November 5: Assassination of Meir Kahane head of Israel's Koch party and founder of the American vigilante group the Jewish Defense League in a Manhattan, New York hotel lobby by early elements of Al Queda.

1992

February 5: Three civilians were killed and 29 injured by East Turkestan Islamic Movement two bus bombs in Urumqi

March 17: Israeli Embassy bombing by "Islamic Jihad" in Buenos Aires, Argentina; 29 killed, 242 injured.

1993

United States, January 25: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fires an AK-47 assault rifle into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters, killing two and injuring three others, see FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives.

United States, February 26: World Trade Center bombing kills six and injures over 1000 people, by coalition of five groups: Jamaat Al-Fuqra'/Gamaat Islamiya/Hamas/Islamic Jihad/National Islamic Front,[5] see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives, Ramzi Yousef.

Israel, April 16: Hamas kill 2 in Mehola Junction bombing.

United States June: Failed New York City landmark bomb plot.

United States, March 1: In the Brooklyn Bridge Shooting, Rashid Baz kills a Hasidic seminary student and wounds four on the Brooklyn Bridge in New York City in response to the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.

United Kingdom, July 26: Israeli Embassy Attack in London and a Jewish charity are car-bombed, wounding 20. Attributed to Hezbollah.

1995

Philippines, January 6: Oplan Bojinka plot to bomb eleven U.S. airliners is discovered on a laptop computer in a Manila apartment by authorities after an apartment fire occurred in the apartment, by Jemaah Islamiyah/Konsojaya/Abu Sayyaf Group/Ramzi Yousef/Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

Pakistan and United States, March 8: Terrorists in Karachi, armed with automatic rifles, murdered two American consulate employees and wounded a third as they traveled in the consulate shuttle bus.

France, July–October: Bombings in France by a GIA unit led by Khaled Kelkal kill eight and injure more than 100.

Saudi Arabia, November 13: Bombing of OPM-SANG building in Riyadh kills seven.

Pakistan and Egypt, November 19: Bombing of Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad kills 19.

1996

Israel, February 25 - March 4: A series of four suicide bombings leave 60 dead and 284 wounded within ten days.

Egypt, April 18: 18 people are killed when Islamist gunmen fire on the Europa hotel in Cairo.

Saudi Arabia, June 25: Khobar Towers bombing – In all, 19 U.S. servicemen and one Saudi were killed and 372 wounded, by Hizballah Al-Hijaz (Saudi Hizballah) with Iranian support, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists.

1997

United States, February 24: Ali Abu Kamal opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine".

Egypt, November 17: Luxor Massacre – Islamist gunmen attack tourists at Deir el-Bahri in Luxor, killing 62 and injuring 24 people, most of them European and Japanese holidaymakers.

1998

Algeria, January 11: Sidi-Hamed massacre Between 120 and 400 people are killed when the Armed Islamic Group bombs a mosque in Haouche Sahraoui and opens fire on civilians in a cinema in Sidi Ahmen.

United States, August 7: U.S. embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi, killing 225 people and injuring more than 4,000, by al-Qaeda, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists.

1999

United States, December 14: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States-Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots.

2000

United States. The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb USS The Sullivans sinks.

United States, October 12: USS Cole bombing kills 17 US sailors and wounds 40 off the port of Aden, by al-Qaeda; see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, the Buffalo Six Lackawanna Cell.

There are dozens that I didn't even include. Point is Kerad, terrorism has held us hostage for decades without any sort of real response. The "we are creating more terrorists" crap is just that CRAP! It's been around and butchering innocent people for a long time. It's about time we did something about it. Bush did and you liberals don't like it. But I am curious to see how many terrorists get created when Obama or Clinton takes control AND responsibility for the problem.

 

[Bann]

Why does it have to be limited to America. Islamic terrorism has been alive and well for decades all over the world, to include the US; and Americans are frequently the targets outside of the US.

So, I'm happy to do your homework for you:
Just since the 1990s (radical Islamic only)

There are dozens that I didn't even include. Point is Kerad, terrorism has held us hostage for decades without any sort of real response. The "we are creating more terrorists" crap is just that CRAP! It's been around and butchering innocent people for a long time. It's about time we did something about it. Bush did and you liberals don't like it. But I am curious to see how many terrorists get created when Obama or Clinton takes control AND responsibility for the problem.

It's a strawman argument to limit the terrorist attacks to "in America". Any attack on US targets: US Embassies, US Ships, etc. is considered to be US soil.

Here's another source for those attacks - -
Terrorism - Terrorist Attacks Chronology

 

[Baja28]

Kerad and stool shot down in flames again. Yall are some meam mutha's.

 

[PsyOps]

It's a strawman argument to limit the terrorist attacks to "in America". Any attack on US targets: US Embassies, US Ships, etc. is considered to be US soil.

Here's another source for those attacks - -
Terrorism - Terrorist Attacks Chronology

The more disturbing part of this is how the left uses all this anti-war propaganda (we're creating more terrorists, we are terrorizing women and children in the dead of night, our troops are cold blooded murderers...) strictly for political reasons when they know that if a democrat was in the WH and we were at war in the same capacity they would be supporting it. We're all going to see the truth of this in about a year to eighteen months. Suddenly Iraq will become a noble cause and terrorists will be just that... TERRORISTS and not some creation of the US.