Larry Gude
Strung Out
If I said that, and I have been for some time, I have BDS.
No one is going to say a peep to you. In fact, they'll probably agree with you.
Which President is worse?
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If I said that, and I have been for some time, I have BDS.
No one is going to say a peep to you. In fact, they'll probably agree with you.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
I think only ONE President in our country's history has given money to a recognized terrorist organization that wants to see not only the end of the US but the death of each and every citizen.
I think hand's down, that makes that ONE person the worst President of all time.
BUT thinking about it, I do believe Carter did very similar things.. Isn't Carter the reason the terrorist Arafat, the brains behind the Munich terror attacks, become a recognized head of state??
So maybe it's a tie..
I think hand's down, that makes that ONE person the worst President of all time.
BUT thinking about it, I do believe Carter did very similar things.. Isn't Carter the reason the terrorist Arafat, the brains behind the Munich terror attacks, become a recognized head of state??
So maybe it's a tie..
Pushrod
Patriot
I actually think Bush was good and 0bama even better. If it wasn't for these two we would be going onward business as usual. Now at least these two asshats have given us a good chance of swinging this country away from the soicalist/fascist tendencies that we have been creeping into. I am hoping that they have pushed the U.S. into a true conservative reawakening.
Tilted
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If I said that, and I have been for some time, I have BDS.
No one is going to say a peep to you. In fact, they'll probably agree with you.
Pfft. I take my share of flak around here too.
Tilted
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I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that you're referring to the additional aid to Palestinians that President Obama announced? We've been giving them aid for a long time - per capita, they are one of the largest beneficiaries of U.S. foreign aid. Should he be giving them (or trying to give them) even more? Perhaps not, but that's a different matter - he's not the only President to give them various forms of aid. We've given them billions of dollars in aid over the last couple of decades - hundreds of millions a year in recent years.
As far as the money going to a recognized terrorist organization (I assume you mean Hamas), that's not who we give the aid to. Perhaps they find a way to get their hands on some of it, but that could have been true in the past just as well. President Obama isn't giving aid to Hamas anymore than President Bush did. Since Hamas has been in control in Gaza, and not in control of the Palestinian Authority, we've tried to direct more of the money to the PA and West Bank, in hopes of strengthening them politically (and weakening Hamas). That remains true with the new aid that was announced. The aid that does go into Gaza doesn't go through the government or Hamas.
PsyOps
Pixelated
If I said that, and I have been for some time, I have BDS.
No one is going to say a peep to you. In fact, they'll probably agree with you.
That's because you've said it 5,326,424,378 times vs. Tilted's 5 times. :shrug:
Lenny
Lovin' being Texican
It's been noticed before.
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BlueBird
Well-Known Member
Obama is much worse...
I voted Obama.
President Bush laid the foundation for Democracy in parts of the world where oppression and human rights violations are an every day occurrence.
On the other hand, President Obama is laying the foundation which will destroy the greatest Republic ever created; America. There is no worse crime than for a leader to destroy his own country and for that President Obama easily wins against any President past and hopefully future.
I voted Obama.
President Bush laid the foundation for Democracy in parts of the world where oppression and human rights violations are an every day occurrence.
On the other hand, President Obama is laying the foundation which will destroy the greatest Republic ever created; America. There is no worse crime than for a leader to destroy his own country and for that President Obama easily wins against any President past and hopefully future.
Baja28
Obama destroyed America
Shows what a complete idiot you are.
Pushrod
Patriot
Why do you say that Baja? I think they meant that they vote "Obama" in this poll for who is the worst president.
BlueBird
Well-Known Member
You would be 100% correct.
BlueBird
Well-Known Member
One of us is a complete idiot. I can assure you it isn't me.
This_person
Well-Known Member
I must have misunderstood the question. I read it to be evaluating the presidents, not our expectations of the presidents.
Thanks for clearing it up! Carter was a great president, because I expected him to be a failure and work at actively making our lives worse, too!
Highlander
ONE NATION UNDER GOD
I must have misunderstood the question. I read it to be evaluating the presidents, not our expectations of the presidents.
Thanks for clearing it up! Carter was a great president, because I expected him to be a failure and work at actively making our lives worse, too!
Wow, it was great seeing the results of this poll after all this time. I kinda forgot about it. I'm glad to see I am not in the minority on this question, by a long shot!
BlueBird
Well-Known Member
There's no comparison between the two really. American hero (Bush) vs. a Muslim Socialist.
Obama is the worst President int he history of this great nation.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I must have misunderstood the question. I read it to be evaluating the presidents, not our expectations of the presidents.
Thanks for clearing it up! Carter was a great president, because I expected him to be a failure and work at actively making our lives worse, too!
Name your poison. Just use policies and their results; Energy costs. Loss of wealth. Foreign policy. Entitlements. Size and cost of government.
Bush wins again.
If you want to use 'expectations' to desperately find an excuse for Dubbya's results then, by your deviation, Obama is a great potus because he is very much doing what he said he'd do and Dubbya didn't do anything that was expected except tax cuts and return some dignity to the office.
This_person
Well-Known Member
It's not my deviation, it's your statement:
Bush, easy. He shocked me as to what he did. Obama, if nothing else, is exactly what I thought he was. I'd rather face my opponent than get it in the back from someone on my side.
You said Bush was worse because Obama is exactly what you thought he was. He gives it to you in your face instead of in the back from someone on your side.I was simply using your logic - the more a president acts as you expect, the better he is (it's the corrolary to Bush being worse than Obama because Bush wasn't what you expected).
I look at things presidents actually have control over, which isn't much. Why did we have a mythical surplus going into Bush's first year? A Republican House and Senate drove Clinton to it. Why were the last two years of Bush's presidency so bloated - a Democratically controlled Congress gave Bush as bad of budgets as the republicans gave Clinton good. And, each gets the responsibility for the other party's actions. Even when Obama signed the last year of Bush's budget - then blamed Bush for it (when Bush said he'd veto it, the Dem congress waited until Obama was in office. Obama actually is more responsible for the '09 budget than Bush - he signed it).
So, name what you will - TARP is, by far, the worst thing Bush did. Obama topped that his first quarter.
But, we expected it from Obama, so he's a worse president. :facepalm:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Right. And I offered to play it your way as well if you like.
Expected or otherwise, Obama may well blow by Dubbya in terms of long term damage to our nation. However, he has a lot of work to do and is on the verge of, a la Clinton, having to deal with a GOP House if not Senate as well. Ideally, hopefully, they will provide a check and balance to his disastrous policies unlike the last time they ran the congress.
So, take your pick; Obama was expected to have horrible policies and is following through. Bush was not and did. In any objective analysis, lost wealth, government expansion, cost, entitlements, raising the Ghosts of Vietnam, Bush is worse. For now. And, if the GOP wins this fall, I truly hope for all our sakes, Bush remains the worst.
lnmarsh
Love * Luck * Faith
Thats only cause Obama hasnt been around long enough to catch Bush. But IMHO, hes already surpassed Bush.I really hope he dosnt get re-elected. But at this point (and I hate to say it) I've lost faith in a lot of American voters and their ability to think logically and do research before falling for the pie-crust promises delivered in a good speech.
I can only hope for a Republican president and Democratic congress (or vice versa). That way they wont ever agree on anything and so nothing will get passed so they cant eff up anything further. 
