Why Do Republicans Keep Siding With America’s Enemies

Salvador

One Nation Under God
If you study Republican behavior over the past quarter-century, you’ll find that the image of conservative lawmakers standing resolutely for American strength and unity is a myth. Republicans support wars launched by Republican presidents. When Democratic presidents undertake wars or negotiations, Republicans generally attempt to sabotage them. In fact, Republicans often side with our enemies.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._enemies_john_mccain_mitch_mcconnell_and.html
 

mamatutu

mama to two
Yes, we all know that the Establishment is indistinguishable at this point. But, there needs to be a change in the famous words of Obama. Rand Paul repub/libertarian would be what America needs, but he will not be elected because of his persona/demeanor. Too bad. All I know is we don't need more Obama which Hillary would be. Hope for the best. God bless, America. Right now, my sights are set on Rubio, but I could change my mind. It is a woman's prerogative! Catch my drift? :lol:
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
Yes, we all know that the Establishment is indistinguishable at this point. But, there needs to be a change in the famous words of Obama. Rand Paul repub/libertarian would be what America needs, but he will not be elected because of his persona/demeanor. Too bad. All I know is we don't need more Obama which Hillary would be. Hope for the best. God bless, America. Right now, my sights are set on Rubio, but I could change my mind. It is a woman's prerogative! Catch my drift? :lol:

Rand Paul is not establishment? Rubio is not establishment? LOL, I can't wait for president Hitlery Clinton and watch y'all's heads asplode.
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
Here's what Rand Paul sounded like when he faked us out and made us believe he was a libertarian. We now know he is a politician.

 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Rand Paul is not establishment? Rubio is not establishment? LOL, I can't wait for president Hitlery Clinton and watch y'all's heads asplode.

You talk like you don't live in this country. What would your head do if Clinton got elected? What would your head do if Paul got elected? Rubio? Bush? Walker?
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
You talk like you don't live in this country. What would your head do if Clinton got elected? What would your head do if Paul got elected? Rubio? Bush? Walker?

You trot out those names as if they are any different than Hitlery -- they are all one in the same, and my reaction would be the same as it always is the day after that quadrennial event known as the presidential election, regardless of the outcome. I'd shrug, make a good pot of french press coffee, probably turn on C-SPAN Washington Journal, wait for the call-ins and laugh at the sheer stupidity of the American voter.

You?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
seriously

What National Interest did the US have in Kosovo or any of the Arab Spring Uprising Nations ?

Libya
Egypt
Syria
 
Yes, we all know that the Establishment is indistinguishable at this point. But, there needs to be a change in the famous words of Obama. Rand Paul repub/libertarian would be what America needs, but he will not be elected because of his persona/demeanor. Too bad. All I know is we don't need more Obama which Hillary would be. Hope for the best. God bless, America. Right now, my sights are set on Rubio, but I could change my mind. It is a woman's prerogative! Catch my drift? :lol:

You didn't read the article, did you?
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
seriously

What National Interest did the US have in Kosovo or any of the Arab Spring Uprising Nations ?

Libya
Egypt
Syria

Because freedom is a zero sum game. Anytime there is a loss of freedoms here, we have to go steal some from 3rd world f*cktards.

:shrug:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
You trot out those names as if they are any different than Hitlery -- they are all one in the same, and my reaction would be the same as it always is the day after that quadrennial event known as the presidential election, regardless of the outcome. I'd shrug, make a good pot of french press coffee, probably turn on C-SPAN Washington Journal, wait for the call-ins and laugh at the sheer stupidity of the American voter.

You?

I get your shrug. Although I’m not as contemptuous towards voters as you appear to be.

What makes you think republicans, in general, wouldn’t have the same reaction as you? None of them getting into the WH would make my head explode and I would look at it as ‘it figures’. I am completely cognizant that most Americans seem to be pretty comfortable with ‘more of the same’. I’ve been saying that for a very long time.

I don’t see Rubio as anything near what Obama is. Obama and Rubio may be on equal footing when it comes to experience, but they are hugely different idealistically.

You’ve pretty much made it clear there is no one out there good enough; or at least you refuse to express who it is you would like to see. You just pop in and summarily reject anyone and everyone presented without any sort of elaboration; as if it should be so obvious to everyone. You seem to be pretty informed. Share it! What specifically about Rubio (or any of these others) turns you off?
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
You’ve pretty much made it clear there is no one out there good enough; or at least you refuse to express who it is you would like to see.

Not true at all.

I have stated before (not that I would expect folks to remember every detail of everything I have ever posted) that Ron Paul has come the closest to getting me to register with a party and support a candidate in the primary, and hopefully through the general election cycle.

Good thing the media exposed him as a nut job right smart quick though, I would have hated to wasted my time. Time being precious and all.

So to answer your question: I would like to see an actual little-ell libertarian (vs. Libertarian). Not someone from the JV squad, someone who truly understands freedom of the individual. Not just rhetorically, but demonstrated through legislation. Ron Paul has been the closest. Barry Goldwater before that. So you see how infrequently they come along. Justin Amash is headed in the right direction, but if he has higher aspirations, he hasn't publicly stated it that I'm aware.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Not true at all.

I have stated before (not that I would expect folks to remember every detail of everything I have ever posted) that Ron Paul has come the closest to getting me to register with a party and support a candidate in the primary, and hopefully through the general election cycle.

Good thing the media exposed him as a nut job right smart quick though, I would have hated to wasted my time. Time being precious and all.

So to answer your question: I would like to see an actual little-ell libertarian (vs. Libertarian). Not someone from the JV squad, someone who truly understands freedom of the individual. Not just rhetorically, but demonstrated through legislation. Ron Paul has been the closest. Barry Goldwater before that. So you see how infrequently they come along. Justin Amash is headed in the right direction, but if he has higher aspirations, he hasn't publicly stated it that I'm aware.

:yay:

I think where we differ is staying home because I can't stomach anyone. I DO NOT want more of the same, but when it comes down to Les Evil (as Larry likes to put it) I feel a sense of duty to make sure MORE Evil doesn't get in there. I mean, when the general comes around we are stuck with who we are stuck with. It's almost like watching Dallas and Pittsburgh in the Superbowl. I don't like either, but this is who we are stuck with in the game; may as well pick the one I hate least.
 

LibertyBeacon

Unto dust we shall return
:yay:

I think where we differ is staying home because I can't stomach anyone. I DO NOT want more of the same, but when it comes down to Les Evil (as Larry likes to put it) I feel a sense of duty to make sure MORE Evil doesn't get in there. I mean, when the general comes around we are stuck with who we are stuck with. It's almost like watching Dallas and Pittsburgh in the Superbowl. I don't like either, but this is who we are stuck with in the game; may as well pick the one I hate least.

Sure, I understand. I did that too before I figured out that choosing the lesser of two evils is still moving ever-closer towards evil. If people want to quibble about how much evil they want ruling over them, have at it. But voting demonstrably doesn't work, and I abstain.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
: I feel a sense of duty to make sure MORE Evil doesn't get in there. I mean, when the general comes around we are stuck with who we are stuck with. It's almost like watching Dallas and Pittsburgh in the Superbowl. I don't like either, but this is who we are stuck with in the game; may as well pick the one I hate least.

And there is the rub; on what basis do you hate one or the other least? In 2000, objectively, we could say the GOP was, clearly, Les as they simply had the benefit of the doubt having not held power since, what, the Eisenhower era? Newt's GOP had just won the House for the first time in 40 years, 20 election cycles. So, it was with GREAT anticipation and hope anyone right of center looked forward to January 2001 and a GOP WH, Senate and House along with a favorable court. And then, a funny thing happened on the way to limited government and trusting the American people...

Instead of rehashing the excuses which does nothing but raise the question of why have principles if they are subject to excuses, let's simply focus on actions, not words. The GOP is directly responsible for Med D, TSA, DHS, Patriot Act and TARP and two losing wars. The GOP transformed our era, our nation. We want to argue Obama is worse, we want to argue Hillary will be worse but objectively, based on what? How are they, really, worse? Obama merely has the Stimulus and the ACA. Other crap he's done is simply wield the tools the prior administration and legislature and courts handed him.

Med D, TSA, DHS, Pat Act and TARP plus the wars plus doubling the national debt vs. the Stimulus and the ACA.

My argument is that, absent our natural bias to excuse our own and exaggerate the ills of the other team, that, objectively, the GOP has proven worse from a limited government and trust the American people view.

You and I have the common reference of the Redskins, to stay with your football analogy. Our Redskins built teams and excelled that way. The new Redskins do not. That is simply not the owners nature or way and, aside from lesser instances (Les?) he is, by and large, a person who does not, will not build a team over time. Objectively, that is not what he does.

The GOP, I would argue, objectively, is not a limited government party and absolutely does not trust the people. To argue that the NEXT guy will be different is to argue that a President is larger than the party, the team. I would equate the Presidency, at best, to a head coach and if that doesn't seal my point, I don't know what would.

In my view, it is not only hard to argue the left is worse, it is hard to argue that the GOP is not. At the very least they are the same. And, most people seem happy with that and so it goes. Lots of people remain Redskins fans. People wanna hope.

:shrug:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
And there is the rub; on what basis do you hate one or the other least?

I feel like I’ve gotten too old to care that much about it anymore. No matter how much to string that same old line (no matter how true it is):

Med D, TSA, DHS, Pat Act and TARP plus the wars plus doubling the national debt vs. the Stimulus and the ACA.

Like the Superbowl… we are still going to get who we get. I love watching the Superbowl no matter who is playing; even if I despise both teams. It’s entertaining and something I have done almost my whole life. Voting is quite different. We have very little control over who gets up there. You either come to terms with that or you don’t. I think I have mostly come to terms with it.

But, voting is different than watching the Superbowl. I have voted in every election since Reagan 1. It’s something I feel a sense of pride in participating in; a great, free nation; greater than any other… and I am able to freely and peacefully participate in our political process. I consider it an honor and duty to vote. I go to the polls with so many things in mind: our history, those that died protecting this right, those that serve today protecting this right… But, with our liberties (like voting)… you are free to exercise them or not.

So I go to the polls knowing I am doing my part in trying to at least slow the train, since I know I can’t turn it around. Our destiny is still going to be the same whether you stay home or not.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Sure, I understand. I did that too before I figured out that choosing the lesser of two evils is still moving ever-closer towards evil. If people want to quibble about how much evil they want ruling over them, have at it. But voting demonstrably doesn't work, and I abstain.

And what have you changed by staying home? But I'm all for you being free to not play. I thank God we aren't like Australia.
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
Slate. Highly respected for their in-depth analysis of foreign affairs. Since.......?

Next he'll be referencing Vox and Mediamatters.
 
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