Why Newtown victim Noah Pozner had an open coffin

[MMDad]

Certainly the mother can do whatever she wants regarding the display of her son. But it’s obvious she is exploiting the death and dismemberment of her son to promote the gun control agenda. I personally find that sickening.

I think you are blaming the worng person. The mother can be doing whatever she wants, but that isn't the true exploitation. It's the people who are taking her son's death and her grief and exploiting it. That would be the author of the story, the paper that printed it, the lib spin machine that is promoting it, and the people like NH who are spreading it.

They are the real shameless sick MF'ers who pretend to care about the kid and his mom, but really are only using it to further their agenda.

 

[PsyOps]

I still am not quite sure what I think about this but


I don't even think she can be consciously exploiting anything at this point. I couldn't even put myself in her shoes, nor would I want to. I don't think any of us know for sure how we would react to something like this happening to one of our own. I find it interesting though that it sounds like they are Jewish, but Jews usually don't have a viewing.

I'll withhold judgement until seeing whether she takes the Cindy Sheehan route

Again, it’s my opinion, based on what I would or wouldn’t do. I would never put my dismembered family member in an open casket no matter how much I might want to voice my views on the circumstances. The article makes it clear what the purpose was here. I understand the mother’s desire to speak out against gun violence and even support gun control (something that she probably never thought about until this happened); I would never exploit my child’s dismembered body to promote any agenda.

And you brought up Sheehan… that is a thought that came to mind here that someone got to Veronique Pozner, someone very influential in the gun control camp, and is using her. I can’t think of any other reason she would go to this extreme.

AN NO THATGUY, I CAN’T PROVE IT. IT IS, AGAIN, MY OPINION AND SUSPICION.

 

[PsyOps]

I think you are blaming the worng person. The mother can be doing whatever she wants, but that isn't the true exploitation. It's the people who are taking her son's death and her grief and exploiting it. That would be the author of the story, the paper that printed it, the lib spin machine that is promoting it, and the people like NH who are spreading it.

They are the real shameless sick MF'ers who pretend to care about the kid and his mom, but really are only using it to further their agenda.

As I mentioned in my last post, I think someone got to her. She appears to be very willing to do this. Displaying your dismembered child just doesn't seem rational to me.

 

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

Certainly the mother can do whatever she wants regarding the display of her son. But it’s obvious she is exploiting the death and dismemberment of her son to promote the gun control agenda. I personally find that sickening.

Agreed. "If you don't want to listen to reason, look at this!" kinda thing.
Wrong on SO many levels.

 

[thatguy]

Again, it’s my opinion, based on what I would or wouldn’t do. I would never put my dismembered family member in an open casket no matter how much I might want to voice my views on the circumstances. The article makes it clear what the purpose was here. I understand the mother’s desire to speak out against gun violence and even support gun control (something that she probably never thought about until this happened); I would never exploit my child’s dismembered body to promote any agenda.

And you brought up Sheehan… that is a thought that came to mind here that someone got to Veronique Pozner, someone very influential in the gun control camp, and is using her. I can’t think of any other reason she would go to this extreme.

AN NO THATGUY, I CAN’T PROVE IT. IT IS, AGAIN, MY OPINION AND SUSPICION.

Adam Lanza is who got to her.
nobody else was needed, and you know what they say about opinions.

 

[cwo_ghwebb]

FTA: If Americans knew what bullets did to human flesh, they’d support gun control. So perhaps they should be shown in living colour what bullets do to small bodies.

/snip

Death by gun isn’t real to us because we see it only in the movies.

I guess Heather hasn't seen any wounded vets from Iraq or Afghanistan nor attended any military viewings.

She ought to get out of her ivory tower and take a look at the real world.

 

[awpitt]

I think that mother is mentally ill. Who freaking does that??

Can't say that I agree with her choice but I do think that most parents would be mentally ill after loosing their child.

 

[kwillia]

Can't say that I agree with her choice but I do think that most parents would be mentally ill after loosing their child.

I completely agree with you. I see it that she is in excurciating pain and wanted others to hurt as she hurts and what better way to drive that feeling home than to let the naked truth display itself in the coffin. Was it right or was it wrong.... doesn't matter wha I or you think.... it is obviously what she felt she needed to do. Don't like it... then don't go up to the coffin.

 

[vraiblonde]

Can't say that I agree with her choice but I do think that most parents would be mentally ill after loosing their child.

I'd think most would be grief-stricken, not mentally ill. There's a difference.

As far as her wanting others to be in as much pain as she is in.....who freaking does that?

 

[GURPS]

We can't all abandon reason whenever bad things happen, even tragic things. We can't go through life denying reason and expecting our excited emotions to shield us from criticism for so doing.

Progressives Operate on Emotion .... NOT Logic, you are being logical

My Father died of a heat attack - lets ban SALT and Steaks and eat Tofu

I think NOT .... as I said to Larry in another thread, as tragic as the loss of my daughter would be in a school shooting, it would be selfish to ask America to set aside rights as an entire country, because something TRAGIC Might Happen, with a Firearm.

 

[MMDad]

I'd think most would be grief-stricken, not mentally ill. There's a difference.

As far as her wanting others to be in as much pain as she is in.....who freaking does that?

I saw it when my wife was teaching high school and one of her students died in a car crash. It was open casket, and I don't think it should have been. Not as extreme as this case, but still bad. But it is what her family wanted. It's the way they chose to grieve, and everyone grieves differently.

There are a lot of people who aren't too far away from mental illness to begin with, and grief can push them over the edge. I don't think it's that rare for mental illness to follow after tragedy.

 

[lovinmaryland]

I'd think most would be grief-stricken, not mentally ill. There's a difference.

As far as her wanting others to be in as much pain as she is in.....who freaking does that?

If I lost one of my children...especially one of my little babies... I wouldnt be able to function. It would mentally break me.

 

[aps45819]

please show where she says she blames the gun.

When the governor of Connecticut arrived, she brought him to see Noah in the open casket. “If there is ever a piece of legislation that comes across his desk, I needed it to be real for him.” The governor wept.

Do you think she was referring to legislation that would make Lanza illegal?

 

[thatguy]

Wirelessly posted

please show where she says she blames the gun.

When the governor of Connecticut arrived, she brought him to see Noah in the open casket. “If there is ever a piece of legislation that comes across his desk, I needed it to be real for him.” The governor wept.

Do you think she was referring to legislation that would make Lanza illegal?

Could be, but your assertion was that she blamed the gun. That passage doesn't prove that point at all.

 

[aps45819]

Could be, but your assertion was that she blamed the gun. That passage doesn't prove that point at all.

It works for the rest of the world but not for That Obtuse Guy

 

[thatguy]

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Could be, but your assertion was that she blamed the gun. That passage doesn't prove that point at all.

It works for the rest of the world but not for That Obtuse Guy

you can't prove your point and you jump straight to calling names.


Even if you assume she is talking about gun legislation that passage does not speak to who or what she blames for her sons death. Wanna try again?

 

[aps45819]

you can't prove your point and you jump straight to calling names.


Even if you assume she is talking about gun legislation that passage does not speak to who or what she blames for her sons death. Wanna try again?

You just proved my point.
You really should consult a proctologist about getting your head removed from your ass.
The ONLY legislation that's been proposed has been about gun restrictions. For some reason nobody has moved to make a dead crazy person illegal yet you seem to think that's a possibility

 

[thatguy]

Wirelessly posted

you can't prove your point and you jump straight to calling names.


Even if you assume she is talking about gun legislation that passage does not speak to who or what she blames for her sons death. Wanna try again?

You just proved my point.
You really should consult a proctologist about getting your head removed from your ass.
The ONLY legislation that's been proposed has been about gun restrictions. For some reason nobody has moved to make a dead crazy person illegal yet you seem to think that's a possibility

You want to show where she talks about blame? It ain't in that passage. Supporting gun control in no way speaks to blame.

Did you look up strawman yet? It pretty well describes what you are doing right here.

 

[vraiblonde]

Why is reading in context for comprehension so difficult for some people?

 

[PsyOps]

I'd think most would be grief-stricken, not mentally ill. There's a difference.

As far as her wanting others to be in as much pain as she is in.....who freaking does that?

Someone that wants to use it for an agenda. I can't help but believe that someone got to her - perhaps even paid her off to do this. I mean if she's insane enough to do this, couldn't equally be just as insane to be bought off to become a mouthpiece for the anti-gun crowd?