Why We Are Still Arguing About Darwin

godsbutterfly

godsbutterfly

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The scrolls have been found and authenticated age-wise for many of the books of the Bible and they have also found the tombs of King Herod, Caiaphas & Caesar Augustus. I watched a special on Noah's Ark and researchers are 90% certain they have located the ark on Mount Ararat which is where the Bible says it came to rest after the Flood.
 
Novus Collectus

Novus Collectus

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This_person said:
Let me rephrase what you wrote as I read it:

Evolution is an unproven theory that has been observed sometimes with animals other than humans. There are great differences between virtually all other animals and humans (sentience ((sp?))), so it really means nothing towards humans.
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And let me correct what you have written.

Evolution is a scientific theory and with scientific theories:
In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behaviour are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and general relativity.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
Even the existence gravity is a theory. Arithmetics is a theory. Do you doubt that two plus two equals four because it is just a theory?

Evolution of man has been observed in a few ways, but a few are by fossil evidence and DNA evidence. Evolution itself has been tested in the laboratory and the testing has been repeatable and the predicted future occurances occured thereby helping to prove the theory.
 
itsbob

itsbob

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godsbutterfly said:
The scrolls have been found and authenticated age-wise for many of the books of the Bible and they have also found the tombs of King Herod, Caiaphas & Caesar Augustus. I watched a special on Noah's Ark and researchers are 90% certain they have located the ark on Mount Ararat which is where the Bible says it came to rest after the Flood.
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So the scrolls that are the bible have been found. That proves the Bible was written.. An easy proof. Doesn't prove true or false.. or fact or fiction. AND if you are going to say the dating process our scientists use is faulty and not accurate.. then I guess we haven't proven the age of the scrolls.. if you believe our dated dinosaur remains are only 3000 years old when the scientist say they are billions of years old.. then the proof you give of the scrolls being authentic.. well if the scientists say they are 2007 years old, then you must believe they are really only 10 or 20 years old.. Your own proof, proves the scrolls to be fake, yet our proof, the proof of the "evolutionists" would prove them to be real.. hmmmm quite the quandary..

AND if you were going to write the greatest fiction known to man wouldn't you include a lot of historical facts? Jesus was on the earth in the year 10, and in that year.. this guy was King of Egypt, and this guy ruled over whatever other country.. etc.. etc.. SO they wrote about what they knew.. and who they knew to make their fiction more believable. Stephen King does a very good job of the identical type of fiction.. the towns in his books really do exist.. a lot of the people in his books really exist,,, even down to the businesses people frequent in his books.. they exist.. But it doesn't make the Shining any more true, just that much more entertaining. If the authors of the bible were commanded by God, then why don't they mention leaders of countries (or the countries themselves) that they didn't know anything about? They only wrote about what they knew, and of the stories that were told..

They've said the same thing about Mt Ararat for the last 30 years, yet not one shred of proof has been offered.. (but I'm sure if you look around you can buy a piece of the ark for a tidy sum)And if you REALLY believe the entire earth was under water, where did all that water come from.. or better yet, where did it go?? Did someone unplug this HUGE drain stopper in the ozone and the water drained out to the edges of the Universe!?
 
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High EGT

High EGT

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto
I've read the arguments supporting evolution and mankind and although compelling I'm not convinced since we as a species are so far removed from all other living species of this world in the way we disrespect this planet and each other as well as the the ability to express ourselves spiritually and physically like no other living entity I'm inclined to believe we are not of this planet but created so as to take possession.
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Bustem' Down

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
Once Christianity believed that the Sun orbited the Earth based on Biblical Scripture. Sometimes things change and the Church has to enentually accept that.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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How so?

High EGT said:
I've read the arguments supporting evolution and mankind and although compelling I'm not convinced since we as a species are so far removed from all other living species of this world in the way we disrespect this planet and each other as well as the the ability to express ourselves spiritually and physically like no other living entity I'm inclined to believe we are not of this planet but created so as to take possession.
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Why does a coyote howl at the moon?

What about whales sounding to one another?

I've seen sail fish and heard of plenty of other animals, including apes, that kill for fun and/or pleasure (ie, not to eat).

Bee's communicate. A herd does to some extent. Hyena's cooperate.

Dog's and cat's very much communicate with us.

All sorts of animals express affection and displeasure.

What I am saying is that it seems to me that we fit right in. We just happen to be at the top of the food chain.
 
High EGT

High EGT

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto
Larry Gude said:
Why does a coyote howl at the moon?

What about whales sounding to one another?

I've seen sail fish and heard of plenty of other animals, including apes, that kill for fun and/or pleasure (ie, not to eat).

Bee's communicate. A herd does to some extent. Hyena's cooperate.

Dog's and cat's very much communicate with us.

All sorts of animals express affection and displeasure.

What I am saying is that it seems to me that we fit right in. We just happen to be at the top of the food chain.
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The point I was making other then man, show me a creature that recognizes via expression beyond its immediate surrounding (i.e. worship) as well as one that can create from nothing. That is what makes us so unique in the equation is our ability to reach beyond ourselves as well thru creation the ability to destroy ourselves and this planet. This is why I truly find it difficult to believe that we our connected to this planet thru evolution since we seem so far removed from earth in so many other ways. I also recognise that this may be an idealistic concept but its worthy of consideration in the face of physical evidence supporting evolution with other species of the world.
 
Xaquin44

Xaquin44

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High EGT said:
The point I was making other then man, show me a creature that recognizes via expression beyond its immediate surrounding (i.e. worship) as well as one that can create from nothing. That is what makes us so unique in the equation is our ability to reach beyond ourselves as well thru creation the ability to destroy ourselves and this planet. This is why I truly find it difficult to believe that we our connected to this planet thru evolution since we seem so far removed from earth in so many other ways. I also recognise that this may be an idealistic concept but its worthy of consideration in the face of physical evidence supporting evolution with other species of the world.
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this is what always gets me .... I find it strange that humans are the only creatures that make art/music/etc and have imagination etc.

now if only we would stop devoting so much time bickering about our tool gods (I realize the hypocrisy).
 
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Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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High EGT said:
The point I was making other then man, show me a creature that recognizes via expression beyond its immediate surrounding (i.e. worship) as well as one that can create from nothing. That is what makes us so unique in the equation is our ability to reach beyond ourselves as well thru creation the ability to destroy ourselves and this planet. This is why I truly find it difficult to believe that we our connected to this planet thru evolution since we seem so far removed from earth in so many other ways. I also recognise that this may be an idealistic concept but its worthy of consideration in the face of physical evidence supporting evolution with other species of the world.
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...beavers and bees build some pretty cool stuff. So do birds. Many animals make homes.

I can't make much of an argument that animals actually worship. I will say, like the coyote and birds and other animals, they do an awful lot of things that are useless as far as survival goes.

Man's detachment from the earth is new. We used to live off the land in simple, animalistic ways; eating worms and grubs and living in caves, wearing no clothing and so forth. I would argue that man is simply the most adaptable creature meaning other creatures adapted but nowhere near to the ability we have.

We made cloths. Made shelter. Changed the land. Becoming detached is not, to me, evidence of not being of this earth.
 
High EGT

High EGT

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto
Larry Gude said:
...beavers and bees build some pretty cool stuff. So do birds. Many animals make homes.

I can't make much of an argument that animals actually worship. I will say, like the coyote and birds and other animals, they do an awful lot of things that are useless as far as survival goes.

Man's detachment from the earth is new. We used to live off the land in simple, animalistic ways; eating worms and grubs and living in caves, wearing no clothing and so forth. I would argue that man is simply the most adaptable creature meaning other creatures adapted but nowhere near to the ability we have.

We made cloths. Made shelter. Changed the land. Becoming detached is not, to me, evidence of not being of this earth.
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The black monolith from 2001 Space Odyssey comes to mind:whistle:
 
This_person

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Novus Collectus said:
And let me correct what you have written.

Evolution is a scientific theory and with scientific theories:
Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Even the existence gravity is a theory. Arithmetics is a theory. Do you doubt that two plus two equals four because it is just a theory?

Evolution of man has been observed in a few ways, but a few are by fossil evidence and DNA evidence. Evolution itself has been tested in the laboratory and the testing has been repeatable and the predicted future occurances occured thereby helping to prove the theory.
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There are mathematical theories, but 2 + 2 = 4 is fact, not theory.

The strongest thing you wrote is that theory is not the same as fact. Thus endeth the argument that it's right. It COULD be right, but it's not necessarily right.

And, it still says nothing about the origin of life. So, relatively mild variations in humans, which could be nutritional and medicinally based, can be shown to have probably occured. The question is still, so what? How does that in any way negate Intelligent Design?
 
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