Will they go to heaven?

Xaquin44 · May 30, 2008

SShewbert said:
No that is why they had animal scarfices. They were to clean the people of their sins. Then came Jesus and he was the perfect lamb for everyones sins.

That's actually what christians think?! god wanted animals sacrificed to him before jesus? Ahahhahaaha

SShewbert · May 30, 2008

pcjohnnyb said:
Exactly. So, if nobody had ever pre-exposed me to religion (before doing these sinful acts...that I now know are sinful ), then I am free to do anything I feel is OK in my heart and will still get to heaven, according to your theory, correct?

Until kids reach the age of accountability as I understand it they will get into Heaven no matter what they have done if they were to die. If you are not aware that what you are doing is sinning then I do not see how you would be held accountable for it. Now with that being said most sins are common sense. The ten commandents are things that when done by someone that someone should realize they are doing wrong. Whether they realize they are sinning or not I can not think something could commit those acts and think to themselves I am ok this is an ok thing I am doing.

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

pcjohnnyb said:
So...everyone before Jesus was just screwed when it came to getting into heaven?

Yup.

Xaquin44 said:
sorry amazon dwellers. It's your own fault you know. You know, .... being born away from churches. See you all in hell (or more to the point, I won't, seeing as how I am christian, and am therefore more deserving of heaven).

p.s. put some clothes on.

Go back and re-read. :buttkick:

toppick08 · May 30, 2008

wxtornado said:
I was wondering where you stood on the original question.

..I came in late.......to the thread.

SShewbert · May 30, 2008

Xaquin44 said:
That's actually what christians think?! god wanted animals sacrificed to him before jesus? Ahahhahaaha

Well wouldnt it be easier for him to have animals sacrificed instead of his only son? And yet he still gave his son to us for our salvation. To do such an unselfish thing for us who are sinners just so that we could spend enterity in Heaven with him. How could you not accept that. We are not worthy and yet he gave us that. But as I stated you can either believe or not. That is not my choice to make for you and I can not make you believe it. I am simply stating what I believe.

kom526 · May 30, 2008

pcjohnnyb said:
So if it weren't for you people throwing your religion at me, I could eff anything that moved, freely shoot the ass holes in life, masturbate, AND still get into Heaven?

pcjohnnyb said:
Religion cannot be avoided in the civilized world. It isn't a matter of it being "shoved" at me or anything, but if I am exposed to it, then according to libby, I must follow yall's religious standards in order to get to heaven...because I've been taught "The Word".

So what are you trying to say? Oh and try to do it without using generalizations.

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs · May 30, 2008

SShewbert said:
On that note it says in the Bible that everyone will hear his Word at least once in their life. These people have never talked to someone outside of the tribe. Now that they have been discovered they will. Someone that they talk to will give them God's Word. Then it is up to them to accept it. So my answer to the question of if they will get into Heaven or not if they never know God's Word is simply that at some point in their life they will hear God's Word.

This is how dumb some people get in regards to the Word they are spreading.

Everyone will hear it at least once eh? So, even though these Amazonians had never heard it before (we assume), but now will hear it from us invaders (thus fulfilling your profecy) and be saved...what about the ones who have already died? These people have been around for thousands of years. According to you, EVERYONE will hear the Word at least once in their life. Does that only apply to people who exist in our lifetime...or are you going to throw me another line?

Xaquin44 · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
Go back and re-read.

re-read which christian opinion? Yours, libbys, or sshewberts? you're all 'christians' but seem to have differing opinions. and remember, only one of you is right. the other two get hell for spreading gods word falsely.

wxtornado · May 30, 2008

SShewbert said:
Can I ask you a question. This is off topic but I have seen your posts and was wondering what is the picture on your av of? And just curious since I have just been skimming what do you believe?

I lifted it off of a website of a software app called "Firedaemon" - it used to be their logo, and I liked it!

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

Nucklesack said:
So are the Christians on here who stated otherwise wrong? Are they also sinning by teaching falsely?

There are 2 different answers being forwarded, one of you is on the wrong side.

Yet your all reading the same book, same guidelines and (basically) have the same belief, and yet you cant agree. And your expecting some Amazonian, who's never heard of your belief to understand or realize they are supposed to follow your deity? :shrug:

Let me reiterate for you. Anyone dying before Jesus would not have obtained heaven until after Jesus' death/ressurection. Anyone (Amozonian or not) dying after Jesus may (or may not) obtain heaven. Please see my first post in this thread. In other words, if it were not for Jesus nobody would obtain heaven, Christian or not.

Xaquin44 · May 30, 2008

SShewbert said:
Well wouldnt it be easier for him to have animals sacrificed instead of his only son? And yet he still gave his son to us for our salvation. To do such an unselfish thing for us who are sinners just so that we could spend enterity in Heaven with him. How could you not accept that. We are not worthy and yet he gave us that. But as I stated you can either believe or not. That is not my choice to make for you and I can not make you believe it. I am simply stating what I believe.

no, I mean animal (and jesus) sacrifice is plain stupid.

do christians really think god wss up there saying to himself "lets see here .... I just made billions of animals .... I sure would like my other creations to kill them for me. after all, killing animals will make me like them better."

that is 100% ridiculous.

bcp · May 30, 2008

well, I cant tell you if those that never heard of Jesus will go to hell or not, I dont know how God will handle such things, maybe the introduction will happen at their death. I dont know.

but I do know that those that know of Jesus Christ and choose to ignore his word, and even choose to act as bigots towards those that do know him, those people? those ignorant bigots? they will go to hell.

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

Xaquin44 said:
re-read which christian opinion? Yours, libbys, or sshewberts? you're all 'christians' but seem to have differing opinions. and remember, only one of you is right. the other two get hell for spreading gods word falsely.

Libby and myself are in agreement.

SShewbert · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
Yup.QUOTE]

So no one who was alive and died because Jesus came did not get into Heaven?????

SShewbert · May 30, 2008

Xaquin44 said:
no, I mean animal (and jesus) sacrifice is plain stupid.

do christians really think god wss up there saying to himself "lets see here .... I just made billions of animals .... I sure would like my other creations to kill them for me. after all, killing animals will make me like them better."

that is 100% ridiculous.

Then ok that is what you believe. I can not change your mind.

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs · May 30, 2008

kom526 said:
So what are you trying to say? Oh and try to do it without using generalizations.

bcp said:
well, I cant tell you if those that never heard of Jesus will go to hell or not, I dont know how God will handle such things, maybe the introduction will happen at their death. I dont know.

but I do know that those that know of Jesus Christ and choose to ignore his word, and even choose to act as bigots towards those that do know him, those people? those ignorant bigots? they will go to hell.

What I am trying to say:
If someone, me as an example, was not exposed to these teachings by outside forces, I would be able to make whatever standards I wanted, and according to some of you Christians, be able to get into heaven because I was never exposed to "His Word" and thus, His standards.

So, my point, screw you all for screwing me out of an easy trip to heaven :yay:

SShewbert · May 30, 2008

wxtornado said:
I lifted it off of a website of a software app called "Firedaemon" - it used to be their logo, and I liked it!

So it is a demon? What is your belief? I am gathering that you are atheist but I do not want to assume.

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

SShewbert said:
Radiant1 said:

Yup.QUOTE]

So no one who was alive and died because Jesus came did not get into Heaven?????

Click to expand...

Only after Jesus death/resurrection did those who have died obtain Heaven. For example, Moses had to wait for Jesus.

Xaquin44 · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
Libby and myself are in agreement.

ok well then 2 opinions.

wxtornado · May 30, 2008

SShewbert said:
On that note it says in the Bible that everyone will hear his Word at least once in their life. These people have never talked to someone outside of the tribe. Now that they have been discovered they will. Someone that they talk to will give them God's Word. Then it is up to them to accept it. So my answer to the question of if they will get into Heaven or not if they never know God's Word is simply that at some point in their life they will hear God's Word.

In other words, someone is gonna cut em and then offer them a bandaid :howdy:

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