Will they go to heaven?

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs · May 30, 2008

wxtornado said:
Yes, it certainly looks like a devil of some sort, and yes, I am an atheist.

According to societies perception :yay:

What if a "demon" looks nothing like that?

wxtornado · May 30, 2008

SShewbert said:
Please pardon me I may be a little slow but did not understand your analogy there.

Christians tells us that without their religion, all of us are doomed without hope. They try to convince us of the dilemma they have created for us (the amazon guy now knows about jesus), then try to convince us that they alone have the remedy (accept him and you will get to heaven). Christianity cuts you and then tries to sell you a Band-Aid.

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

pcjohnnyb said:
No. It WOULD have been easy, according to your fellow Christians, because (according to them) if I hadn't been exposed to God's standards in life, there would be nothing wrong with "effing anything that moved", or doing anything else for that matter, that I felt was OK in my heart.

I'm sorry but even that Amazonian tribe isn't effin' the animals in the rainforest and they don't live by Christian principles. This is an example of what Libby termed "moral law" which is universal to every human being. I seriously doubt that without Christianity foisted upon you in our society that you would still want to eff everything that moves.

Stop being deliberately obtuse, and coming up with hypotheticals that are wholly unreasonable.

wxtornado · May 30, 2008

pcjohnnyb said:
ok. this made me laugh out loud and I'm sitting here in a cubicle at work

Lol, everybody knows that 2048 squirrels = 1 cow. Sheesh!

kom526 · May 30, 2008

pcjohnnyb said:
They are too numerous to address. You should know that because you have a whole book full of your own

I live life as I see fit The only reason I follow (most) laws is because there are legal reprecussions to breaking them. I set my own standards with moral laws

Where do you think a lot of the legal repercussions from breaking the law come from? And where did you get moral laws from?

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
I'm sorry but even that Amazonian tribe isn't effin' the animals in the rainforest and they don't live by Christian principles. This is an example of what Libby termed "moral law" which is universal to every human being. I seriously doubt that without Christianity foisted upon you in our society that you would still want to eff everything that moves.

Stop being deliberately obtuse, and coming up with hypotheticals that are wholly unreasonable.

Oh. Sorry. I didn't realize you have observed these people. I retract my statement.

:roflmao:

Are you SERIOUS?!

lordy, how thick-headed some of you folk are.

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

wxtornado said:
Christians tells us that without their religion, all of us are doomed without hope. They try to convince us of the dilemma they have created for us (the amazon guy now knows about jesus), then try to convince us that they alone have the remedy (accept him and you will get to heaven). Christianity cuts you and then tries to sell you a Band-Aid.

Wx, for the first time today I had some modicum of respect for you when you thanked me for my opinion without argumentation, but you're losing it again by forgetting about what was previously stated by Libby and myself simply for the sake of an argument.

I now have to put you back into the category of deliberately obtuse with Johnny. :ohwell:

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

pcjohnnyb said:
Oh. Sorry. I didn't realize you have observed these people. I retract my statement.

Are you SERIOUS?!

lordy, how thick-headed some of you folk are.

I tell you what, you go eff a monkey/dog/cow/whatever and take your chances, k?

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
I tell you what, you go eff a monkey/dog/cow/whatever and take your chances, k?

I can't now.

You exposed me to the fact that it is wrong in God's eyes.

:shrug:

Boy you are slow. :lol:

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

pcjohnnyb said:
I can't now.

You exposed me to the fact that it is wrong in God's eyes.

:shrug:

Boy you are slow.

But, you don't believe in God. You've got nothing to lose, go for it! :snort:

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
But, you don't believe in God. You've got nothing to lose, go for it! :snort:

are you even reading what has been written? :dork:

Well, at least I have a vague idea of the intellect level of my opposition here...... :dork:

wxtornado · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
Wx, for the first time today I had some modicum of respect for you when you thanked me for my opinion without argumentation, but you're losing it again by forgetting about what was previously stated by Libby and myself simply for the sake of an argument.

I now have to put you back into the category of deliberately obtuse with Johnny.

Oh, I know where you stand on the issue Radiant - this wasn't directed at you. Sorry for any confusion - I should have wrote "some" Christians.

kom526 · May 30, 2008

kom526 said:
They will get into their version of the afterlife.

In response to the OP.

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

Nucklesack said:
It doesnt sound as if you are

I'm fairly certain we are, Libby can correct me if I'm wrong.

Jungle man can possibly go to heaven if he lives by the basic moral law written in every man's heart without fail. However, nobody can go to heaven if it were not for the merits of Jesus Christ to open the door to begin with ("door" being an analogy).

Make more sense?

Nucklesack said:
Later Day Saints

not much hypothetical about a bunch of believers that feel its justified (rightly or wrongly) to have multiple wives.

We're talking basic moral law. Polygamy or monogomy isn't something I would consider included in basic moral law. Basic moral law would be killing another person for sport or effin' animals and the like. You get the idea. You know, those things that every culture and society throughout the ages have viewed as wrong.

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs · May 30, 2008

kom526 said:
In response to the OP.

But what does that mean?

Does that mean there are multiple afterlifes, and thus, more ways to live life than just according to one specific creator's word?

OR

Does it mean that after we're dead, it really just doesn't matter, because nobody knows really what happens?

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
We're talking basic moral law. Polygamy or monogomy isn't something I would consider included in basic moral law. Basic moral law would be killing another person for sport or effin' animals and the like. You get the idea. You know, those things that every culture and society throughout the ages have viewed as wrong.

You were quite sheltered, weren't you?

kom526 · May 30, 2008

pcjohnnyb said:
But what does that mean?

Does that mean there are multiple afterlifes, and thus, more ways to live life than just according to one specific creator's word?

OR

Does it mean that after we're dead, it really just doesn't matter, because nobody knows really what happens?

I even typed that slowly so it would be easy to understand.

Radiant1 · May 30, 2008

Nucklesack said:
Ok i thinks i got ya, your saying Jesus, whether you know him or not, makes Heavan possible for all mankind. (right?)

Right!

Nucklesack said:
By some society and cultures standards Polygamy is against Moral Law (how do Christians feel about it?) By other Societies and Cultures Monogomy is not.

And Culture and Society changes, in regards to both standards and "Basic Moral Law".

Society not only changes, societies themselves are different. Same thing with Cultures

Mormon Society - multiple wives is necessary

Non-Mormon US society - its a No-No

Nazi Society - Kill the Jews

Other Society - Its a No-No

Roman Society - Kill Christians

Modern Society - laugh at Christians (j/k its Friday)

Just because one person or society goes against the moral law doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm talking about those things that are consistent throughout the ages, as you well know.

Have a great weekend Nucklesack, you are my favorite pool-peeing "Christ bashing" atheist. :huggy:

thurley42 · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
I'm fairly certain we are, Libby can correct me if I'm wrong.

Jungle man can possibly go to heaven if he lives by the basic moral law written in every man's heart without fail. However, nobody can go to heaven if it were not for the merits of Jesus Christ to open the door to begin with ("door" being an analogy).

Make more sense?

We're talking basic moral law. Polygamy or monogomy isn't something I would consider included in basic moral law. Basic moral law would be killing another person for sport or effin' animals and the like. You get the idea. You know, those things that every culture and society throughout the ages have viewed as wrong.

but isn't audultery listed as one of the ten commandments? how much more "moral" in the perview of Christianity can you get?

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs · May 30, 2008

Radiant1 said:
Just because one person or society goes against the moral law doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm talking about those things that are consistent throughout the ages, as you well know.

Have a great weekend Nucklesack, you are my favorite pool-peeing "Christ bashing" atheist.

The ENTIRE point of his statement was that there ISN'T any moral standard, or law, that is consistent throughout the ages.

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